Apples That are Prone to Rooting? A List??

I was wondering if a list of Apple varieties that are prone to rooting exist?
Either from cuttings or scion wood (not grafted). I have seen some lists apples that like to sucker, but that has more to do with rootstocks.
If such a list is around can someone point me in the right direction??
I want to find out what apples do well in my area without the help of rootstocks.
Everyone can tell you that you're wasting your time, but I need to know for myself.
Sometimes insights can be gained that will prove valuable in future growing adventures.
Thanks!

I'd be interested whether anyone has had any luck with this. I suspect that softwood cuttings might have a better success rate, particularly if you have a misting bed or similar set up. I've tried once or twice trying to root cuttings over winter with no luck so far - they look promising and even break leaf bud, but never actually root, so die as the summer progresses.
I gather the normal way of getting known apples on their own rootstock (as opposed to new seed grown trees) is to graft onto rootstock and then bury the  graft point - the scion will then grow it's own roots and take over from the rootstock and can be dug and transplanted if necessary. I managed to get one of my apple trees that way (but wish it was more of them).
An alternative is to layer the tree - either into a pot, the soil, or a bag of some kind on a branch (described here by Philip Heinemeyer). I've not actually done this, but it seems a bit more likely to succeed and doesn't risk the existing tree itself much.

M 111 is one, but it is a rootstock. Sadly for most modern varieties they have bred out the tendency to root themselves. However, a good way to tell is if the variety establishes a burr knot, which is a section of roots growing from the trunk, that is a sign that it has the tendency to grow out roots well.

Steve

If you can find an own-root tree somewhere, maybe root cuttings could work better than normal cuttings? I have a seed-grown apple tree that I want to propagate, and tried the method of grafting branches onto pieces of the tree's own roots. The scions/branches all died (I'm a newbie grafter) but two of the root pieces made shoots with leaves below the graft. Sadly, the leaves were then eaten by bugs, and my unintentional root cuttings died. Oh well...

Eino Kenttä wrote:If you can find an own-root tree somewhere, maybe root cuttings could work better than normal cuttings? I have a seed-grown apple tree that I want to propagate, and tried the method of grafting branches onto pieces of the tree's own roots. The scions/branches all died (I'm a newbie grafter) but two of the root pieces made shoots with leaves below the graft. Sadly, the leaves were then eaten by bugs, and my unintentional root cuttings died. Oh well...

Yesterday, I went to go buy some hardy peach seeds from someone and saw an apple tree on the side of the road with some rather large apples still on it. I stopped to collect some fruit for seeds to plant out and noticed no graft union. The area I live in is full of wild apple trees as well as old pastures with tons of old trees. I managed to find a couple root suckers too. I grabbed those and I will be processing the fruit for seeds. (the fermented juice that was on my hands was really tasty). I'm hoping for the best but the difficulty I've had finding apples that are not grafted has made me decide to start a growing project that I'm sure will take years and breeding as well.

Demitrios Pitas wrote:
Yesterday, I went to go buy some hardy peach seeds from someone and saw an apple tree on the side of the road with some rather large apples still on it. I stopped to collect some fruit for seeds to plant out and noticed no graft union. The area I live in is full of wild apple trees as well as old pastures with tons of old trees. I managed to find a couple root suckers too. I grabbed those and I will be processing the fruit for seeds. (the fermented juice that was on my hands was really tasty). I'm hoping for the best but the difficulty I've had finding apples that are not grafted has made me decide to start a growing project that I'm sure will take years and breeding as well.

I know a number of feral apples in my locality. Usually found while cycling: spring is the time to spot blossom, from which you can deduce, from month and looks, whether you're looking at sloe, cherry plum (myrobalan), plum, pear or apple. To return later. Some pears and apples you can detect from a fermenting smell when ripe fruits are falling. Or you might spot windfalls. On apples, I've come across some real belters, that I aim to graft onwards. And others showing too much affinity to Cold'n'Malicious (my nickname for...)
Having sown a seed and got it to fruit, I can testify it takes some time. The first one took about 20 years, but it is beside a hedge. Two others have sprouted from unknown seeds, both too crabby with early falling fruit. One got felled, other's having a few different scions grafted on. Currently just a Wisley Crab (or similar) going for the sky - clearly not a dwarfing stock!
On apples with a reputation for edibility and rooting, I know of Burr Knot: something of a heritage apple in Cheshire, UK.

I know a number of feral apples in my locality. Usually found while cycling: spring is the time to spot blossom, from which you can deduce, from month and looks, whether you're looking at sloe, cherry plum (myrobalan), plum, pear or apple. To return later. Some pears and apples you can detect from a fermenting smell when ripe fruits are falling. Or you might spot windfalls. On apples, I've come across some real belters, that I aim to graft onwards. And others showing too much affinity to Cold'n'Malicious (my nickname for...)
Having sown a seed and got it to fruit, I can testify it takes some time. The first one took about 20 years, but it is beside a hedge. Two others have sprouted from unknown seeds, both too crabby with early falling fruit. One got felled, other's having a few different scions grafted on. Currently just a Wisley Crab (or similar) going for the sky - clearly not a dwarfing stock!
On apples with a reputation for edibility and rooting, I know of Burr Knot: something of a heritage apple in Cheshire, UK.


With regard to tree identification, I am severely lacking. If you know of a good book for that I would be all ears. I have the National Audubon Society N. American field guide but it is small and a lot of pics of barks look the same to me. You were speaking of bloom times and scents? To what end?
Even videos on YT or links to sites to help learn would be cool.
thanks

I'd like to know as well what apple variety is easy to propagate from cuttings.
I believe most apples that are grafted on rootstock have great apples, but quite a weak rootsystem to them. I never understood why this is a great problem, as modern apple orchards use a lot of dwarf rootstock which is short lived and keeps the trees low. So i'm with you.
I've tried and failed so far, they bud out, but die in summer.
I've got Bittenfelder growing which is rootstock basicly, their lower branches got covered with straw a year back by me mulching like a wildling and had started to root out by themselves in wet autumn. I thought if they show this behavior they might react great to taking cuttings as well. Someone told me their apple is a nice little apple as well... Which i have not had the pleasure yet to confirm.

Hugo Morvan wrote:
I've tried and failed so far, they bud out, but die in summer.

My graftings have failed too, the past 3 years. Since I stopped using stretchy green tape (couldn't find it for sale) and went on to something more like clear cellophane tape. About half start sprouting, then fail. I'm wiping my knife with alcoholic handwash. I had more success going retro - using what the Victorians probably used - waxed cloth. Thinking I need to: sharpen my knife, do my grafting earlier, go back to waxed cloth.

Anthony Powell wrote:

Hugo Morvan wrote:
I've tried and failed so far, they bud out, but die in summer.

My graftings have failed too, the past 3 years. Since I stopped using stretchy green tape (couldn't find it for sale) and went on to something more like clear cellophane tape.

It's definitely not cheap, but I really like buddy tape. Got mine from OGW more than a year ago and I've done close to 100 grafts with the roll, wrapped hundreds of scions I've mailed to others, and have well over half remaining. I also use it to seal the ends of cuttings that I root, like figs and mulberries. Here's their listing:

https://onegreenworld.com/product/buddy-tape/

I've read than Blunheim Orange (at least the original) easily propagated from cuttings. I'm scouring old books to see if the same is said for any other varieties.

Anthony Powell wrote:
My graftings have failed too, the past 3 years. Since I stopped using stretchy green tape (couldn't find it for sale) and went on to something more like clear cellophane tape. About half start sprouting, then fail. I'm wiping my knife with alcoholic handwash. I had more success going retro - using what the Victorians probably used - waxed cloth. Thinking I need to: sharpen my knife, do my grafting earlier, go back to waxed cloth.

I've used a different product this year, green, seems like waxed paper but doesn't tear quite as easily. Quite cheap. I've also been sharpening my knife more. 6 grafts out of 10 taken, so I've got at least one of the 4 varieties I was replicating, and 2 of the ones I was most interested in!
The one that did best, sprouting first, had had a bit of history - I'd had to take it while still in leaf in Mid-October, wrapped it in plastic for transit, dropped in a vase of water until the leaves dropped before wrapping again and putting in the fridge. With moist tissue in an outer bag. None of the others got that vase treatment, so did it clean the stem of bugs to mess with the graft?

Go to the UK's NFC Apple tree identification website. Start a "full id" search. Check the " cultivation" option and then "Pitchers". Then check both lots and some pitchers box. Hit search and you will see all 50 something UK apples know to easily root by cuttings.

Hope that helps.

Darren Robertson wrote:Go to the UK's NFC Apple tree identification website. Start a "full id" search. Check the " cultivation" option and then "Pitchers". Then check both lots and some pitchers box. Hit search and you will see all 50 something UK apples know to easily root by cuttings.

Hope that helps.

I'm on National Fruit Collection's website, no option for cultivation... am I on the right site?

Anthony Powell wrote:

Darren Robertson wrote:Go to the UK's NFC Apple tree identification website. Start a "full id" search. Check the " cultivation" option and then "Pitchers". Then check both lots and some pitchers box. Hit search and you will see all 50 something UK apples know to easily root by cuttings.

Hope that helps.

I'm on National Fruit Collection's website, no option for cultivation... am I on the right site?

Sorry. FruitID.com

https://www.fruitid.com/index.html#identification/1