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Mar Barak
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Hey all,
I am having difficulty finding info on rat control in the city, NY. I have seen the utube vids with the air rifles and am a fan but it is frowned upon here.. ;P
so for another year, poison in box traps and in the process of finding a Jack russell pup. What do we do
here in the city about rodents when planting?
Thanks in advance.
 
Rick Roman
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Hi, I was wondering if you've come up with a solution to the rat problem. I've lived in Soho, NYC for a long time, although currently I spend most of my time at my homestead / permaculture garden in PA. I can't imagine gardening and dealing with NYC pest, they are some tough critters. So how is it going?

Thanks
 
Seth Wetmore
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Rats on Rats.

Poison should be generally avoided. Why? For many reasons.
1. The poison lingers, possibly poisoning other predator/scavengers that may be controlling the rat population.
2. Environmental contamination, think water supplies, New York already has plutonium contamination no need to further contaminate the water shed.
3. Where does this poor rodent go to die? Say it is in your wall? what will you do about the stench of the decaying carcass for the next 3 months? Or would you preffer to remodel everytime a critter dies in your wall?
4. As with other predators the house hold cat and dog are both predators who may decide an ailing rat is easy sport only to find they just ate the poison that was killing the rat. There goes fluffy and fido poor animals who now have cost you medical bills and burial fees as well as your personal grief.
5. Chilldren know nothing about poison blocks or pellets, SO PLEASE DO NOT USE POISON FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR CHILDREN.
6. Poison is temperary and only controls a single animal, breaking only the life cycle of the rat that ate the poison. It does not deal with the rats brothers, sisters, cousins etc.
7. Read the warning labels of the poisons you wish to employ, maybe the warning is enough to convince you that some other method would be preferable.
8. Poison is not humane not that any form of killing truely is, but poisoning is not a moral option. The army has banned chemical warfare due to the effects of watching the suffering. Not that any form of killing does not include suffering.
9. Giving money to large corperations that poison us is ultimatly bad all the way around oddly enough even the corperation suffers.
10. Are you truely convinced that a single individual can stop what millions of individuals have been unable do stop for the last few hundred years?
SO hopefully I have made a case to STOP USING POISON! PERIOD!
As to sollutions here are some ideas that may benefit you with out poisoning everything in site.

1. Hardware cloth with 1/2 inch down to 1/4 inch holes. Rats have extreame difficulty chewing through steel. Cover any hole they may be getting through.
2. indoor garden,
3. green house with hardware cloth reenforced areas to deter rats.
4. dogs and cats. if you do not feed the cat much, but keep the cat warm and watered, as well as plenty of petting the cat will kill to eat. dogs have to be trained .
5. Covered gardens again hardware cloth
6. live traps, lots of work.
7. remove other things that attract rats, garbage/refuse piles, smelly trash, watering holes, nesting materials, hedges that shield the rats from predation such as ivy.
8. give access to cats and dogs as well as birds, falcons and hawks love rats. keep trees trimmed so that cats can do thier job. no plant should contact your dwelling, or be close enough for a rat to jump the gap.
9. animals do not like ammonia, ammonia evaporates and leaves very little residue thus it is used on glass as a cleaner. this is a short term and does involve a chemical but it does deter animals from areas and if the animal encounters a deterant enough times it trains itself to not be there. Not for enclosed spaces.
10. sound frequency. rats are as any animal with very sesitive ears, they do not like sounds that annoy them, other animals could be affected.
11. thick vegtable oil with habenero pepper oil mixed in any other pepper could only help.
Obviously these options may not apply to your situation, yet ANYTHING is BETTER than POISON.
Have a great day
 
Joe Portale
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Location: Tucson, AZ Zone 9A
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You did not specify. Are the rats in your house or garden area? The Jack Russel is a great idea. They do not need training t go after rats. Be sure to train him/her to stop on command or the dog may take off after a rat and never be seen again.
 
Jeremiah wales
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Taste like Chicken
 
Doug Coffield
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I just had success with a live trap. Something was "relocating" eggs from the coop to several locations outside. I didnt know what was responsible so I put an egg in a small live trap and caught a rat.

By the way, my two terriers were of no help with the rat.

 
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