Adam Moore wrote:Hey Paul, Willy Wonka had the same problem. Fortunately he gained the favor of a race of bluish, plump, peace loving, short people who had high morals and loved to sing about them. I'm sure you will find your own group of Oompa Loompas, or Smurfs. Permaculture loving Smurfs would also work I suppose, you would just need more of them.
Alex Love wrote:Forgive me if this has been addressed, but my concern with joining Paul's community is not the benevolent dictatorship aspect (with apologies to Churchill and credit to Plato, democracy is overrated), but in the lack of security. And I'm not even talking about how only Paul has any property rights. Assuming Paul is what Geoff Lawton would call an ethical angel, my question is: what happens in the event of Paul's death? Most people leave their property to their ungrateful children, who then promptly turn around and sell the property to the third party buyer with the most cash. I see it constantly as a probate attorney. The upshot in this case being that those who have given to and become dependent upon the land are up a creek without a paddle (to put it politely). I don't know whether Paul's child(ren) is/are ungrateful, but the vast majority of kids are. Plus, it might be nice to know that one could ensure that one's own ungrateful children could carry on on the land (assuming they weren't actually ungrateful and were equally committed to the project). I think that Paul will find that unless there is some provision made for these eventualities, and for giving people some sense of buy-in/ownership/security, the higher caliber recruits will sit it out (and I say that as someone who wakes up every day and ask himself how he can responsibly move toward a homesteading lifestyle).
I think a key component is: courage. Right now, the only people showing up and participating have courage. Later, this might be some sort of posh thing with all sorts of re-assurances and amenities. And then we will charge real money.
I do not believe the world will not beat a path to our door.
some sort of posh thing with all sorts of re-assurances and amenities
Kenzie Greenwood wrote:Hey Paul,
I've been listening to some of your podcasts, though admittedly only a few so far, and I got the email you sent out.
My partner and I have been searching for land to start our own community, or an established community to become a part of.
He is a dry stone mason, and I'm a gardener and soil enthusiast, and we are a jack-and-Jill-of-all-trades pair, with a general comfort using tools of various kinds. We have great interest in natural building and primal/primitive skills. We are also both fairly decent cooks, and I know my way around various computer systems.
My questions are simply: do you have want/need for these skills? And, What kinds of stone are native to the Missoula area?
Kenzie Greenwood wrote:Hey Paul,
My questions are simply: do you have want/need for these skills?
I like to think that everybody that comes to the land will have a parachute and then things will be so awesome that they will stay forever - thus never using their parachute. But my track record says that that thought is too optimistic.
Josh Shwa wrote:Where can I find these podcasts?
Annie Sires wrote:I would guess that more information to the general public would help. Here I am a "certified Master Gardener" and yet I hear over and over from the County Extension that IPM along with it's pesticides and nice neat rows of plants spaced 3 feet apart are the way to grow things.
I would love it if we could sponsor a class at a state or national Master gardeners meeting on Permaculture. Heck, just teaching a class on the east coast so I don't have to go to Missoula (I'm a soon to be Paramedic in Maryland) here on Rocket stoves and permaculture would be AMAZING.
I think that if more people knew what you could do and how and how to do it in small spaces... well that would get you those volunteers, possibly. Also, what about contacting various alternative colleges?
People want to know "What's In It For Me" and until you address WIIFM for the masses, you won't get more than the fringe (yes, I am including myself in the fringe, surrounded that I am with 200 year old tobacco and beef farms and massive conventional farming.
Heck, if I could get you to show the Amish the benefit of this, they would jump on it like hot-cakes. Granted, you won't get many volunteers from among them, but they might show it to enough people to spread the word.
I don't know, throwing stuff out there and see what sticks.
Elizabeth Criscuolo wrote:Where are you located? My boyfriend and I are looking for an intentional community where we can simply tend the land and work/live outside in nature with like minded intelligent people. We're coming from the Atlanta, ga area and are pretty much willing to relocate anywhere. We are looking to do this ASAP. We are in a good position to move right now. I am a vet tech and I've worked with all types of animals for years. That is my passion. He is an artist. He makes money as a graphic designer but his personal art is amazing. Oil, acrylic, and charcoal/pencil are his best mediums. We want to learn to be self sufficient. To live in harmony with the earth Instead of leeching off of it. Please let me know if this is what you are looking for and a bit more ab yourself and your property. Thanks! Elizabeth
Jocelyn Campbell wrote:Key points and further links on how to make this work are in the new how to volunteer, visit, or apply for a paid position thread.
Jocelyn Campbell wrote:I imagine there could be a place for foster children in the right community, and with the right foster parents.
A) people that will tell us that we are doing it wrong when they have not read the articles or forums; have not listened to the podcasts; have not watched the videos. These people impede the whole group.
Jennifer McMann wrote:My second point is about the podcasts. Frankly, they're below average. They're not engaging, they're typically not organized, and the worst part is they're usually not informative. To use a specific example, the recent podcast about residual income streams was about 30% interesting and informative. That 30% is worth listening to and I did learn something. Unfortunately the rest of the podcast was so saturated with whining and complaints it was very off-putting. Jocelyn even commented that "this is therapy for him" during some complaints. If Paul wants to use podcasts to educate people then he needs to eliminate this theraputic but non productive whining and condense the information. If Paul wants to continue to use pocasts to talk about personal feelings then that's fine, it's his podcast and he can and should do whatever he wants with them. Until then the value of listening to the podcasts should be rethought.
Jennifer McMann wrote:These are my personal opinions, please take them for what you will.