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Going poo-less: No Shampoo/Soap in the Shower

 
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We did the baking soda wash + apple cider vinegar conditioner thing for a hot minute. Also made soap nut juice a couple of times. Both work fine and all, but then we realized we can just literally wash with nothing but hot water and we look and smell fine. Here's proof: 2 months since anything but water has been in my hair. And I haven't combed it properly yet today either or it would be even nicer looking.

I have super wavy hair. It gets snarled pretty easily is my only complaint about being pooless, but it's a small price to pay to not be soaking myself and my septic tank in toxic gick!
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Heather Scott wrote:I’m SO glad this discussion came up💕 I’ve been telling my Husband I’ve wanted to go more natural with all my products. We are def greenies with all of this as we are city dwellers soon to become mountain earth dwellers. Every part of my being is screaming natural. From detoxing my body via gut and down to a cellular level to my environment. I have Usnea growing on our mountain acreage and I desire to be just as pure as the air quality where we will build our circular  earthen home. Right now as city dwellers we have treated water.... once we get to the homestead we will collect rainwater and get from the waterfall stream (no icky foam..... happy dance as up in My area even the cleanest rivers and streams are polluted) we will only filter for drinking.... so going no poo....... could I start now, with the treated water we have, or wait till we get to our mountain land..... what type of results have you all had with different water types??


My reaction can be too late for you. Do you live in the mountains now?
No problem. It can be helpful for anybody living in cities or other places with 'treated' water.
Where I live the water is 'treated' too. But still I am a happy poo-and-soap-less person for many years now. I think different people can react different, but it has nothing to do with the water. Different people have different skin-types and hair-types. And i.m.o. what you eat has its influence also on your skin and hair.
 
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I don't remember when I went pooless. Six years ago? Eight? It's been a minute.

I feel beyond ridiculous taking these pictures. I hope it helps someone, or at least gives someone a laugh.
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Now you've done it.  I'm still new here, so I was forced to read just to find out what exactly you meant by going "pooless".  I had just read the other day about bucket toilets, and I can't remember what they were being called, waterless?  flushless?  I can't place it. You all know.   But then to thumb over an article about going pooless, and how it doesn't stink like you might think it does.  Just stop.   I'm still absorbing the terminology as fast as I can!
 
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Michael Shwartz wrote:Now you've done it.  I'm still new here, so I was forced to read just to find out what exactly you meant by going "pooless".  I had just read the other day about bucket toilets, and I can't remember what they were being called, waterless?  flushless?  I can't place it. You all know.   But then to thumb over an article about going pooless, and how it doesn't stink like you might think it does.  Just stop.   I'm still absorbing the terminology as fast as I can!


Poo-it!

Oh, I mean, Doo it!
 
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Another guy here with thick, shoulder length hair. I've been pooless for a few years, no-one has said anything.

It's cool there's some mainstream backing for this.

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marshmallow root pieces (1 tbsp) steeped in 1 cup of water overnight are good hair rinse for conditioning and doesn't smell like vinegar. Marshmallow root gel can be used as anti frizz if you have curly hair, or Flax seed gel for making your curls nice.

I've heard of rice water left to ferment for a day is a starchy rinse good for making hair grow faster and longer and retail color into old age but that's just a rumor and old wives tail that hasn't been studied.... Just japanese lore. But maybe I'll try it since I make a lot of rice.
 
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I went no-poo over a decade ago. I have fine, stick-straight hair that was always prone to greasiness and tangling, and washing with a baking soda solution solved both of those problems. Before, I absolutely had to wash my hair every day; now I can get away with washing it every third day.

The vinegar rinse only made my hair go greasy even faster, so I didn't bother with it for a long time. But the alkalinity of the baking soda eventually leaves me with dry, split ends. Not wanting to cut my hair shorter, I've solved the problem by putting a 1:2 vinegar-water solution in a re-used hairspray pump bottle, and spraying it on the ends of my hair after towel-drying it. The only time I use it on my entire head is when I'm visiting family in SoCal; the water there tends to be much more alkaline than it is here in Western Washington State, and my hair doesn't like it. It's that, or buy bottled water just to wash my hair, and--no. Just no.
 
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My wife and I both look for the products that can help prevent fast greasing. We rinse hair with chamomile, it works great. Moreover, it is excellent for my wife (she is a natural blond). But I've found several great ideas here. Thanks a lot! Maybe we should start with making shampoo.
 
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Can any of you experts  make some recommendations  on how to moderate greasy hair? I have been mostly shampoo less for several years I just do a daily rinse. Once I get to day 5-7 I have to do something to cut the grease. In the past I have used conditioner or a small amount of shampoo  on the really oily spots. I gave vinegar  a shot this morning.  I do think it helped but I would like a bit more advice.  I don't  want to strip all the oil, just keep it in check. We have very hard limestone water around  here.
 
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Hi, everyone! I've been shampoo-free for about three years, I think. I have long-ish wavy-to-curly hair, fine-textured but lots of it so it's been described as "thick" most of my life. I actually don't even rinse it with water very often. Every month or two or whenever it seems to need it, I do, and then usually I use baking soda (with rosemary essential oil) scrubbed in and then herbal apple cider vinegar in the rinse (I steep rosemary, juniper berries, and mugwort in the vinegar and I also use this vinegar to soak a clean washcloth and place on my forehead to help relieve headaches). Lately that's left it a little too dry afterwards, and prone to static, so I think I'll stop using at least the baking soda and will likely stop using both even though I really like my herbal vinegar (leaves my hair smelling great). We exclusively use filtered raincatch for our water.

When I first started to decrease the frequency of washing with shampoo, and then stopped using shampoo altogether, my hair would definitely get greasy. But now it takes it at least a month to get greasy at all. So for those who've asked about how to moderate greasy hair, I would say just give it some time. Maybe stock up on cotton hair wraps (bandanas or whatever you like) to wear over a bun until things settle down. I still wear these to keep blowing dust and grease and things out of my hair when doing dirty work or riding a motorcycle or just being out for any length of time in the spring windy season.

Anyway, the main thing I do to clean my hair and keep it healthy is comb and brush it for a good long time once a day. I use a very wide-tooth comb (what they sell as a "shower comb") first because I couldn't get it through the tangles without a ton of damage otherwise, and once it's thoroughly detangled, I use a brush in sections so that I make sure to get all the way to the scalp. This removes dust and dirt and distributes the scalp oil all the way to the ends. For years I've used a nice wooden-handled brush with soft "natural-feeling" bristles, but I actually don't know whether they're boar bristles or plastic, and I sort of suspect the latter.

I just finally got myself a brush that I'm sure has good long boar bristles, and I'm excited to try it. Best of all, it didn't cost an arm and a leg, the avoidance of which had kept me from investing for this long. What I got was a Calcutta boar bristle brush with a pear wood handle from Desert Breeze Distributing, and because I don't care if there's an "odd grain pattern or flaw in the wood handle" -- in fact, I'd prefer it -- I got it for a discount, and threw in a cleaning kit, too. All three wooden-handled items (the brush, a cleaning rake, and a cleaning brush) appear to be very high quality. I have no affiliation with the company, but I'm a repeat customer, as I've also bought a very nice wool pad from them that I use for needle felting. So I'd recommend them highly. Here's a link to the discounted brushes.

We don't use soap, either, except on our hands and if there's some kind of actual grease or filth on us like if we've been changing the oil or otherwise working on vehicles or have spilled while cooking or have turned the poop compost or something. We've tried making our own simple coconut oil soap to use for that and dishes, but so far it hasn't worked -- can't get a trace, maybe because we're stubborn about using lye we make from the hardwood ash from our stove rather than buying sodium lye. So we use a simple shea butter soap for our hands and carefully-vetted liquid detergents for dishes and laundry that won't put too much sodium into our greywater. We do use just diluted potash lye for laundry sometimes, but I don't feel it gets clothes as clean (my partner swears by it).

My skin has been healthier these last few years since making this change than ever in my life before. Using one of those salt crystal deodorants is helpful at preventing armpit odor, although that also is reduced since I gave up coffee again last year. For dry skin I use various herbal oils I make with olive oil, and I use a lot of creosote salve (creosote herbal olive oil and beeswax) for cuts, scrapes, insect bites/stings, and especially any kind of early skin damage from the sun. (I'm bad about remembering to put on zinc sunscreen, and it took me a while to find a wide-brimmed hat I really like that does a great job now of blocking sun from my face.)

I will say that, doing this, it becomes much clearer what we each individually really smell like, without scented products that strip our natural oils, and these smells vary a lot from person to person. Luckily my partner and I both like each other's smells. Except when it's really hot or we've been working especially hard, these aren't strong smells, and then we bathe, eh? My partner likes the smell of my hair so much he actually gets a little miffed when I wash it and it smells more like herbs for a few days. But I can see problems arising if you start doing this when you're already in an established relationship and then you don't end up liking each other's smells... Check in with each other! It might reveal some interesting things.
 
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