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the movie "broken limbs" (about apples)

 
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Anybody seen this? 

I saw it a long time ago and would like to see it again. 

It's about the washington state apple industry.  As the movie progresses, the picture is painted of how folks with apple trees are getting less and less each year for apples.  And lots of folks have put everything into their orchard.  And then they lose the farm. 

As the move progresses, everything gets more and more complicated.  And there is the tiniest glimmer of hope if everybody bands together and confronts the threat of globalization.  But even still, you get this powerful feeling of circling the toilet bowl. 

And then the movie tells the story of a farm where they were on the edge of losing the farm and then their crop was nailed with hail.  It looks bad.  If they sell the remaining 10% in the normal way, they lose the farm.  So they decided to take the 10% to the farmers market in seattle and sell direct to the consumers.  They did great!

Yes!  Hope!

And then, at the end, there was this guy who had something like four apple trees. 

(this is from feeble memory) He would harvest from one tree, go to seattle, sell all of the apples and come home.  It sounds like with just four trees he was doing WAY better than these people with thousands of trees. 

Fascinating stuff.   

I strongly recommend having a look at this show for anybody reading in this forum.



 
                    
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Is is available on netflix?  Do you have a link?  We'd love to see it. 
 
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Netflix seems never to have heard of it.

Nor IMDB.

Here's the documentarians' website:

http://www.brokenlimbs.org/buy.html
 
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ive never seen the movie but this is happening at a local apple orchard here. i am now volunteering along with a few others to keep them up and running. the labor alone would cost more than the apple harvest. thats not even taking into account fertilizers and all that stuff.
 
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I haven't been able to find it at the library either. 

I seem to remember some sort of eco film thing that you could get through the mail like netflix.  Maybe they have it.

 
              
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is this the film?

http://www.cultureunplugged.com/play/1087/Broken-Limbs
 
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Wow.  The whole movie on-line. 

And now that I have seen it a second time, it seems even better than I remember.

I think everybody that takes a peek in this forum really needs to watch this movie all the way to the end. 
 
              
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paul, agree everyone should watch it.

Seems the moral of that story is beware of:
Debt
Mono culture
Reliance on others
Single source of income
and trusting others with your livelihood in an age of low ethics, morality, etc.

Also might bring up how markets are manipulated. think it was britain that subsidized a crop, guaranteed a price for the crop no matter the market. several years passed, farmers went crazy and bought expensive equipment to grow money. they leveraged the farm. then, politicians ran on getting rid of the scam that was wasting tax payers dollars. farmers went bust, land was bought for a song and dance. all owned by big agriculture now, or so the story is told.

there was a thing on pbs about apples and monoculture and history in the states. most was used for hard liquor till it was demonized. then the sweet varieties were picked out and...
 
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Just watched this, so bump for an excellent movie.
 
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For a long time washington apples have been inferior, they were bred to be bright red and last 18 months in a warehouse. Add to that the effects of a minimum wage and you have economic disaster. An industry just cannot survive producing an inferior product at an inflated price.
 
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I've just bookmarked this.... I've quite a few young apple trees here of diverse backgrounds and including some grown from pips.  (I know, I know they don't grow true... but it's all part of the fun I'm having....  )
 
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Emerson White wrote:
For a long time washington apples have been inferior, they were bred to be bright red and last 18 months in a warehouse. Add to that the effects of a minimum wage and you have economic disaster. An industry just cannot survive producing an inferior product at an inflated price.


It appears that way to me as well. I have a friend from Washington and he told me about the apple industry up there...and all the orchards for sale.

paul wheaton wrote:
As the movie progresses, everything gets more and more complicated.  And there is the tiniest glimmer of hope if everybody bands together and confronts the threat of globalization.  But even still, you get this powerful feeling of circling the toilet bowl. 


I get that feeling a lot nowadays. But the future is what we make of it. Globalization has been very good to big businesses and bankers, not so good for workers, farmers, shop owners, and manufacturers.
 
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I'll watch this and pass it along. It's sad where I live (the fruit belt, Southern Ontario), orchards have been disappearing in the past few years. I finally found out that our local cannery (Heinz) can't afford to buy fruit from local farms, they are importing it from China of all places to stay competitive price-wise in the market. I can't even believe that is happening, how can fruit shipped from halfway around the world be more cost effective than that grown RIGHT in the town that the cannery is in? And not a peep from locals or government, I had to seek that info out. Shocking and shameful is what that is.

There is one local orchard that does well, he sells right out of his garage until he runs out of apples (sometimes has them until March but not often as he's one of the few still selling locally and people drive to his place). He uses a mixture of garlic and seaweed as a pesticide/nutrient or some such too so his apples are not sprayed as much as conventional. Amazing that.
There is another orchard that does tours, u-pick and sells cider that seems to be alright so far. They also have horses though so that brings in business for them.

I don't know what's going on here, all that I see growing in the area is corn, soy, wheat and tomatoes. Never anything else, year after year after year. It's frightening.
 
              
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craftylittlemonkey, good to know. I try not to buy from that company. Now you have given me a 58th reason .

If you export all of your production elsewhere and produce nothing, then what do you have to offer for the goods you wish to purchase? Past wealth, future worth or selling yourself into bondage.

It is hard explaining to some people that you 'have to produce something of value' in order to continue trade. For when you run out of things to trade, who wants to trade with you?

Trust. Easier to trust those who are closer to you, know first hand what is going on there, and easier to confront them when their are issues. Plus, you do not have to give handouts to those that 'are not in need'.

At the end of the day, it is dumb to move everything over seas, but "WHY" is everything moving and what is the final outcome.

Best to get something in the ground that produces with little to no input and effort longterm. Then there is something productive going on close to home.
 
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I thought it was funny that he showed tractors to display how many farmers their used to be, and showed them disappearing to indicate farmers disappearing. He apparently is unaware that the lions share of that disappearance of farmers is explained by the invention of the tractor and other farm equipment.
 
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Great documentary, thanks for the link.
 
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I liked it, was worried at first but there was light at the end of the tunnel.

Thanks Paul
 
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