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Stephanie Garvin wrote:Regarding the ethics, the one I always struggled a little with was the third one, sharing the surplus.
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Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
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Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Eva
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My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Ann Torrence wrote:
I can work with this--designing is the process of figuring out the next right action. The permaculturist then takes action.
Cj Verde wrote:And that leads us right into:
The Prime Directive of Permaculture.
The only ethical decision is to take responsibility for our own existence and that of our children.
Make it now.
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wayne stephen wrote:Page 3 : "Although initially we can see how helping our family and freinds assists us in our own survival , we may evolve the mature ethic that sees all humankind as family , and all life as allied associations. Thus we expand people care to species care , for all life has common origins . All are "our family".
Subtropical desert (Köppen: BWh)
Elevation: 1090 ft Annual rainfall: 7"
For me, permaculture HAS to go beyond my property by necessity.
What do others think?
Jennifer Wadsworth wrote: In a city, one may have little land and may rely on municipal systems to handle things like energy, water and waste. By definition an urban permaculturist must become a collaborator and must see these systems and the people who run them and work in them as part of our system.
...For me, permaculture HAS to go beyond my property by necessity.
What do others think?
Eva
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Lucas Harrison-Zdenek wrote:I definitely agree with you, being an urbanite myself, that we as premies must have extra focus outside of our own tiny properties. I have to disagree with you on the point of "relying" on municipal systems for energy, water and waste, though.
We have curbside garbage and recycling here as well as the normal municipal sewer and storm drain systems. We also get our water from the city, piped directly into our house with plenty of pressure…etc. The problem that I see, from a permaculture point of view, is that these systems, even when managed properly, are not sustainable. We are still pulling water from our local watersheds and aquifers without any regeneration plan or process. In the city, rain barrels, mini swales, water conservation methods…etc. are excellent ways to reduce our reliance on those unsustainable systems. Unfortunately, most of us live in houses that were built (unsustainably) years ago and have no way of removing ourselves from the use of these systems, but we can make every effort to reduce our dependence and help those around us to reduce as well.
Subtropical desert (Köppen: BWh)
Elevation: 1090 ft Annual rainfall: 7"
Burra Maluca wrote:
Stephanie Garvin wrote:Regarding the ethics, the one I always struggled a little with was the third one, sharing the surplus.
Ah, but that is *not* the third ethic.
The third ethic, as written the manual is
"SETTING LIMITS TO POPULATION AND CONSUMPTION: by governing our own needs we can set resources aside to further the above principles."
Jennifer Herod wrote:... but I am realizing now, that I have only had a tiny piece of the overall puzzle. I am hoping this book will give me a sense of priority and focus. I need to forge a plan for the property, as I did for the earthship. We have an acre and a half, and I want to design it smartly. From the tantalizing tidbits of chapter 1, I am indeed in the right place at the right time.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Frank Turrentine wrote:To be fair, I don't know that you can altogether leave politics out of this text without it simply becoming a technical manual. Right off the bat he says we must replace nation states with villages. He also says on page one that to accumulate wealth, power or land beyond one's needs is truly immoral. Those are pretty profound political statements.
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Cj Verde wrote:
Jennifer Herod wrote:... but I am realizing now, that I have only had a tiny piece of the overall puzzle. I am hoping this book will give me a sense of priority and focus. I need to forge a plan for the property, as I did for the earthship. We have an acre and a half, and I want to design it smartly. From the tantalizing tidbits of chapter 1, I am indeed in the right place at the right time.
The PDM is awesome but I strongly urge you take a PDC. I swore up and down that I wouldn't take one, didn't need to take one because I didn't plan on teaching. About a year and a half after reading the PDM I took Geoff's online PDC and yes, the PDC was worth it and necessary.
Jennifer Herod wrote:PDC Online? hmmm. I didn't know such a thing existed. So I can get this certification online...very interesting indeed. How does the course differ from the text? How do they work together? And thank you for the heads up.
Subtropical desert (Köppen: BWh)
Elevation: 1090 ft Annual rainfall: 7"
My project thread
Agriculture collects solar energy two-dimensionally; but silviculture collects it three dimensionally.
Frank Turrentine wrote: I can't see urban permaculture working, however, without urban centers being broken down into a collection of neighborhoods that act as permaculture villages. I think in the end the cities have to die away of their own entropy as people leave them behind.
Honestly, I embrace the donkey cart as the transportation of the future.
Subtropical desert (Köppen: BWh)
Elevation: 1090 ft Annual rainfall: 7"
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Jennifer Herod wrote:Change takes time.
Subtropical desert (Köppen: BWh)
Elevation: 1090 ft Annual rainfall: 7"
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wayne stephen wrote:How do we discuss the ethics without discussing politics ?
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Eva
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