Dale Hodgins wrote:I wonder if they have a list of well known, qualified women who wanted to present but were denied. Without a list, the whole claim seems pretty empty.
Rachel Wittenberg wrote:I can assure you that HUNDREDS of people went home fueled with an abundance of knowledge and an ignited passion for permaculture, spreading the word like pollinators, making new seedlings, and nourishing them with information to make new guilds, having a well observed plan, and creating new key lines in the community promoting all ages, races, genders, etc. to become saturated with permaculture, forming deep roots and future leaders that will continue to attract pollinators of ALL kinds.
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Patricia Newkirk wrote: What about posting an article at least once a week from a women…you might have to do some work to get them to write them. For that matter, maybe we also ought to figure out how to encourage the people of color as well. Women have unique gifts to offer permaculture.
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William Bronson wrote: Perhaps there should be an Alternative permaculture convention, for those voices excluded from this convention. Keep on mind that one thing these voices will have in common will be thier marginalization.
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William Bronson wrote: Lol, think Lilith Fair.
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Schisms don't destroy movements, they spread them.
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Kenzie Greenwood wrote:I'm also mostly a lurker here, and partly because of another thread long ago where a man shared his righteous indignance about the women-only workshops being offered, and seemed to flat out reject that there could be any value in "conscious segregation" for the purpose of greater integration on the whole.
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Kenzie Greenwood wrote:....seemed to flat out reject that there could be any value in "conscious segregation" for the purpose of greater integration on the whole.
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Burra Maluca wrote:I'm getting a little nervous on this thread that some posts are getting out of our comfort zone.
I really, really don't want to start deleting stuff or having to put posts on probation.
I'd like all members, especially newer ones who aren't used to the way we work, to have a look at this thread - How permies.com works - links to useful threads. It's a live link - just click on the words and the link should open. On that page there is a list of threads with guidelines on our publishing standards, how to be nice, how to leave room for other people's ideas, all kinds of stuff.
Please, take some time to browse those links and get a feel of how we like members to communicate.
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I see a lot of "it's absurd to talk about sexism in Permaculture!" and not a whole lot of the other viewpoint, that of those concerned about representation in this wonderful world of permaculture [not being sarcastic].
This forum does not seem to be a terribly safe space to share that opposing position.
Isn't that what Paul's arguing for? A safe space to discuss permaculture topics without reproach?
There also is not a whole lot of people of color in the permaculture scene, is that too absurd to talk about too? I know Geoff and Paul briefly talked about it in one of the podcasts but beyond that I don't see much discussion.
Rather than the majority simply telling the minority to "step up,"
why not take a moment to try to reach out to under-represented individuals in the spirit of inclusion and communal well-being?
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Patricia Newkirk wrote:
I would challenge you Paul, and any others who are the current leadership in this movement, to think of 20 ways that premies.com could encourage women in the field. What about posting an article at least once a week from a women…you might have to do some work to get them to write them. For that matter, maybe we also ought to figure out how to encourage the people of color as well. Women have unique gifts to offer permaculture.
Women have unique gifts to offer permaculture.
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William Bronson wrote: Perhaps there should be an Alternative permaculture convention, for those voices excluded from this convention. Keep on mind that one thing these voices will have in common will be thier marginalization.
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- The women in the "crew" are more interested in "living well" than in changing others' minds, and it may sound selfish, and maybe it is, but I think it's A-OK too. These particular women are sick of drama, and many feel that ANY label can and will be a source of drama in time. The ones who feel this way don't even like the label "permaculture". One even pointed out that calling a way of life by any name makes it immediately not the norm. Her point, which I have considered over and over, is that what she considers living well might actually BE permaculture, but calling it that makes people who want to "fit in" avoid it. Simply living it, doing it, and sharing the bounty, is the way to reach the people who are "asleep" in the mainstream, she said. And if that will happen, it will happen quietly. It does seem that this is "women's work" if one accepts that women are more likely to work close to home and less likely to seek public view. Many of this group have included home-schooling as part of their living-well. The children are learning from their parents how to live close to the earth, and close to home.
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