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How Permies.com Works (lots of useful links)
Check out Redhawk's soil series: https://permies.com/wiki/redhawk-soil
Julia Winter wrote:It was really awesome. If anybody has a list of good species for perennial cover crops, I'd love to see that!
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John Wolfram wrote:Does anyone know why white clover is not on that list? It seems to be the one low growing cover crop that's readily available at any rural/gardening store in Indiana...and it usually comes with a cool picture of a deer on the bag.
Diego Footer wrote:If you missed it, I put this talk on the podcast.
Episode 96
Luke Townsley wrote:
Diego,
That was definitely one of my favorite episodes. In fact, I'm so stoked about perennial cover crops/mulches after her talk and some research on the web, I'm working towards starting some business ventures relating directly to that.
Unfortunately, there really isn't much field data, and I have yet to see a single picture or video of anyone growing annuals in a permanent low growing deep rooted perennial cover like she describes. Nevertheless, my intuition says when we pull together all the necessary pieces, this idea could be the most revolutionary thing in row cropping and vegetable market gardens since nitrogen fertilizer.
Diego Footer wrote:
Luke Townsley wrote:
Diego,
That was definitely one of my favorite episodes. In fact, I'm so stoked about perennial cover crops/mulches after her talk and some research on the web, I'm working towards starting some business ventures relating directly to that.
Unfortunately, there really isn't much field data, and I have yet to see a single picture or video of anyone growing annuals in a permanent low growing deep rooted perennial cover like she describes. Nevertheless, my intuition says when we pull together all the necessary pieces, this idea could be the most revolutionary thing in row cropping and vegetable market gardens since nitrogen fertilizer.
I will try to chat up Gabe Brown at some point. I think he can bring a lot of insight to this area. Same with Colin Seis and Bruce Maynard. I will try to get those three on in the the first half of this year.
Luke Townsley wrote:One thing I'm seeing is that most regenerative ag people seem to have trouble getting their head wrapped around the concept of perennial mulch/cover cropping with appropriately tuned soil biology, at least at first take. They think they understand it, but are really talking about something else. Or they will take a piece or two of the puzzle and disregard it because they know it doesn't work. Or they will lump it together with Fukuoka's techniques which most admire but have had trouble reproducing. Or they will disregard it because we don't yet have the appropriate tools to make it more efficient.
I think a video would be worth a lot in this space. I've pondered the wisdom of trying a low budget kickstarter video this summer documenting at least one new project using these techniques and possibly more. I'm still thinking...
Diego Footer wrote:
Luke Townsley wrote:One thing I'm seeing is that most regenerative ag people seem to have trouble getting their head wrapped around the concept of perennial mulch/cover cropping with appropriately tuned soil biology, at least at first take. They think they understand it, but are really talking about something else. Or they will take a piece or two of the puzzle and disregard it because they know it doesn't work. Or they will lump it together with Fukuoka's techniques which most admire but have had trouble reproducing. Or they will disregard it because we don't yet have the appropriate tools to make it more efficient.
I think a video would be worth a lot in this space. I've pondered the wisdom of trying a low budget kickstarter video this summer documenting at least one new project using these techniques and possibly more. I'm still thinking...
I am going with they think it doesn't work, and it might not. If it worked really well on a commercial scale someone would be doing it. That being said, it is an area worth experimenting and trying to really look at results and optimize a system if there is one there, but I think at this stage it is theory that needs test, versus something that works and just need to be shown that it works. Which I see as one huge need for this space, start testing ideas to see what works and what doesn't. There are too many bold claims that don't have any results behind them. It's time to test ideas.
Luke Townsley wrote:There have been a couple of university type field trials along those lines, with somewhat positive results, but they weren't optimized well at all for a positive outcome and haven't really been followed up on as far as I can tell.
John Wolfram wrote:Does anyone know why white clover is not on that list? It seems to be the one low growing cover crop that's readily available at any rural/gardening store in Indiana...and it usually comes with a cool picture of a deer on the bag.
John Wolfram wrote:Does anyone know why white clover is not on that list? It seems to be the one low growing cover crop that's readily available at any rural/gardening store in Indiana...and it usually comes with a cool picture of a deer on the bag.
Check out Redhawk's soil series: https://permies.com/wiki/redhawk-soil
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