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Cornelian-Cherry Dogwood

 
Julie Bernhardt
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Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
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Can I plant a Cornelian-Cherry Dogwood in an area that can have 3-6 inches of standing water after a heavy rain?
The next day the area may have a inch of water left and by the third day after the rain the standing water is gone.
The soil is clay here.
I'm in central Indiana and we get heavy rains in early spring, then again around July. In August the area is pretty dry and I have to water August and September.

I've read that they want a moist soil and some places say moist well drained. I have a flowering dogwood in a higher, dryer area and it has always struggled.
 
M.K. Dorje Jr.
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Although I have never grown Cornelian Cherry before, I have a feeling that your tree might not do very well in such a site. In the One Green World catalog they state: "Cornelian Cherry grows to be an attractive 8-10 ft. tall shrub and likes well-drained soil...During wet springs, some leaves may be discolored by Dogwood Anthracnose." Anthracnose can be a serious problem for some species of dogwoods. The Raintree catalog states: "thrives in soil with high organic content", which might rule out your clay soil. These trees also need another Cornelian Cherry to act as a pollinizer to produce well. You might want to rethink your plan. Just my 2 cents...But maybe someone else on here has more experience with them.
 
S Bengi
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Location: Massachusetts, Zone:6/7, AHS:4, Rainfall:48in even distribution
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So you have a dogwood plant that has standing water for 30hr.
How often does this happen? Once a month for 6 months in the growing season?
Once in mid summer? every week? Only in spring.

I have some Cornelian Cherry. This is their 11 month with me. They are already flowering. The site is super shaded but well drained.
 
Julie Bernhardt
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I am now just trying to find a place to put them. I ordered them last winter because I wanted to under plant a large silver maple because they were shade tolerant. I read since then that they cannot compete with the maple's roots. I now have 2 dogwoods I was going to put on the northeast and northwest side of the tree and 2 hazelnuts that I was going to put on the southeast and southwest side of the tree. I have an elderberry growing right near the trunk and a gold yucca, catmint and a bearded iris growing there now. It has been heavily mulched for years but this year I expanded the mulch ring by another 5 feet. I really don't have anywhere else to put them that is in the shade and doesn't have some standing water. Here's a picture of maple tree area. This is before I expanded the mulched area and I took the picture during a heavy rain so I would remember exactly how far the water stands. I have buried drainpipes but the ditch gets so full from the water from the street and driveway that it has to go down before it comes out of my yard.

The dogwood I have now that struggles is planted close to the house and does not get standing water.
Flooding south east.jpg
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S Bengi
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My dogwood are 20ft from the trunk, but the maple tree is 45+ feet tall.

In about 2 minutes I found 3 species of dogwood that loves water. So I think that cornus mas will be ok with a little standing water.
http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/consumer/quickref/shrubs/shrubs-wetareas.html

I just found a link and it seems that although cornus mas prefers well-drain soil, it is very tolerant of wet soils at least according to this nursery
http://www.chaletnursery.com/assets/uploads/plants-for-wet-soil.pdf
 
Charles Tarnard
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Perhaps this is because I'm new, but doesn't EVERY plant 'prefer' well drained soil? At least most plants not specifically bred for aquaculture? I don't know that I've ever seen a seed or pot whose recommendation was anything other than 'well drained soil.'

Edit::: Sometimes I feel that if someone were selling pet humans they'd come with instructions reading, "keep in approx. 70 degree F. temperatures (20 degrees C.) in well ventilated areas. Space approx 6 ft.from other humans. Provide nutrients daily and fertilize with anabolic steroids monthly for best results."
 
S Bengi
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LOL, yes this is very true they all like full sun and well drain soil.
But some will tolerate shade and wet feet.

Charles Tarnard wrote:Perhaps this is because I'm new, but doesn't EVERY plant 'prefer' well drained soil? At least most plants not specifically bred for aquaculture? I don't know that I've ever seen a seed or pot whose recommendation was anything other than 'well drained soil.'
 
Julie Bernhardt
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Thanks for the advice. I decided with my heavy clay soil I shouldn't risk it.
I think I will instead plant them in the back near a pecan tree and some persimmons with better drainage.
I just hope they survive the ducks!
 
I agree. Here's the link: https://richsoil.com/wood-heat.jsp
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