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Just pee and drip dry and get back to the land
 
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Thanks for picking a winner for me to try.  I ordered a green one.  I sometimes would pee behind a tree when it’s too far or too much trouble to take off dirty boots and such to go in the house.  I don’t want to be dragging dirt and leaves and shedding twigs from my hair all over the house.  I was doing the pants-down and low squat with no trouble, but I do miss TP to dry up. At one point I kept an empty Folgers can with TP stored inside, out in the woods.  The other thing I wanted to mention is that a large empty yogurt container works well for collecting pee.  You can squeeze in the sides so it makes an oval shape, then press it up around the area and all the pee goes in.  (You still need to drop your trou though).  When I had free-roaming hens, I would put the pee in a squirt bottle then spray in spots all around the perimeter to mark the yard.  I’d squirt pee on trees a little higher up than a dog, to try to show that a Big dog lived here.  Who knows what the animals thought, but it might have deterred the fox, deer, and maybe coyotes.  It will be weird to try a standing pee.
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Reading this thread  blew my mind.  Immediately I had to try - but in my case, it was been MARDI GRAS cups which make it all possible.  (These are like plastic solo cups with commemorative designs and they are given out free at parades) So I learned to direct my flow and collect 'cleanly' , more or less into the cup which I can then take outside (suburban environment)

Friends thought I was disgusting, at first, so I started doing only when by myself.

For my last 12 months of city living, I experimented with applying my own urine to my home garden.  

I can't say it for sure killed anything, and it definitely perked up my herbs and flowers. (some areas had been fertilized before, some not.  I saw more of a change in those areas which had never yet been fed.)

The New Orleans weather is so mild.  snapdragons, dianthus and hibiscus all stayed blooming for at least 9 of the 12 months.  I believe they were directly fed by my "runoff" and it also kept neighborhood cats a little wary of me (maybe)

Eventually I could sense that I had reached a critical mass of pee and started just dumping the cup in the sink and rinsing with a tiny bit of water to prevent the smell

It seemed radical for me a year ago, but now I find it wasteful and lazy to simply pee and flush it anymore. LOL

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paul wheaton wrote:Many women are less than comfortable peeing outside.  If there is an indoor option and an outdoor option, and a request to pee outside (as many permaculture farms do) they will choose the indoor option.


I have to poke people. Gadflying seems to be my reason for being lately. So Paul, thanks for working through a solution for females to pee outdoors, but if there ever is a day when the women with penises stop peeing outdoors in your neck, instead, if possible, have those women come teach the males in my neighborhood how to pee inside and not as they are walking down my alleyway. Haha!
 
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Awesome! Can't wait to try this. I often just pee outdoors. our farm is set up that the house is close to the road, now mom is our neighbor. Sometimes while peeing in the backyard, i look down at her home and wonder if she's sitting on the porch or looking out the window. She don't wants to see this
This pee-assist device means I could probably pee on my compost pile! How exciting. Easier then lugging a bucket from the bathroom.

My husband is going to laugh his arse off.
 
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This is an informative forum. I think it offers great advice for women who want to hike, ski, bicycle, support soil health in their garden, etc., but want to be discrete about it. Sounds like the pstyle device in black, stored in a sock while trekking, cleaned in the dishwasher, is the winner. However, the automotive funnel has definitely got a more open carry factor to it. My sister-in-law told me her skier friend uses GoGirl. Thanks for all the comments.
 
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We have come up with a sit down solution for our farm, your basic biochar bucket placed in a semi private place. We have included a clean bucket for holding toilet paper and a burn box for used paper. Plans for a rain cover to make winter use easier. Turns out a toilet seat fits nicely on top of a 5 gallon bucket. We keep the seat hanging and ask folks to cover bucket with the lid to keep rain out.  
We hold a lot of learning events and in attendance are often MANY women from camp A (many quite elderly) , we felt we needed a elegant solution that works for everyone.. plus it's an opportunity to also teach about biochar...in the works for next summers visitors, will be a sign teaching how biochar works so folks can read as they sit to pee.
Another finer point, we did a double stack of the buckets, one has biochar and very large holes, pee passes through and gives us a chance to empty the bucket (our events can attract large numbers) we can leave the biochar in use a bit longer. It also raises the sitting area up just a tad. We may upgrade to a toilet chair over bucket. Always a work in progress

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I have not read the thread but, for the record, I'm for it.  My daughter has also planted many a Poop tree on our hikes and canoe trips over the years.  For the record, we have never harvested the fruits of her (or my) labours.

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For what it's worth for anyone peeing outdoors, urine is sterile and non-toxic unless the person doing the peeing has significant health issues.  
 
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Jon Stika wrote:For what it's worth for anyone peeing outdoors, urine is sterile and non-toxic unless the person doing the peeing has significant health issues.  



My understanding is ...  and this is after several hours of research ...

Urine is, for all practical purposes, sterile.  

So if a sick person pees on the grass and they are loaded with all sorts of illness, the few bacteria that can survive in the bladder have an extremely short lifespan outside of the bladder.  Something on the order of three to seven seconds.  

There is volumes more to say here, but to summarize in a different way:  In hospitals, gloves are required for dealing with all sorts of stuff - but not urine.

And here is the flip side:  once urine is outside it is food for all sorts of things.  So when introduced to those things, those things can become problematic.  


So I guess I wanna agree with Jon and amend "... and even then, the concerns go away in three to seven seconds."

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Sonja Draven wrote:Emily, I just stick mine in a clean sock. Works great, breathes, etc



I like that idea.  But I would still be likely to store it (in the sock) in a wet bag (which I don't currently have) or a plastic bag.

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jacque greenleaf wrote:I think there are many things to love about peeing outside. But privacy is an issue, and so is snow. I don't mind squatting, but then I don't have knee issues.

For me, the biggest problem is lack of washing facilities near my favorite bushes. Unfortunately, for women, drip drying is just not a great option, as you eventually start to smell like a substandard nursing home. I refuse to leave bits of toilet paper lying around, even buried. And I really don't want to carry used toilet paper back to a collecting receptacle, where it can develop a fine, nasty aroma before said receptacle is emptied. I am thinking of carrying a jar of water with me as I depart for the thickets, but haven't actually tried it out yet. Should work...

(We don't have any enclosed facilities right now- compost toilet is on this year's list.)



Hey Jacquie,
Your water-jar idea is great. Whenever I have to pee outside, I always rinse myself with a jar of water. It gets me very clean, and no need for toilet paper (I wipe dry with a handful of leaves, pre-gathered nearby - this works more or less, depending on the quality of the local leaves).  

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I use the Pstyle myself and it comes in handy with my outdoor job. Porta potties can be nasty at times and I don't have to worry as much about toilet paper. For a carrying case I bought the Pstyle case too and to be honest I wish they used snaps instead of Velcro. Just remember the positioning is key and if you have to go real bad and you're the sort to cross your legs hard you're better off sitting.

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I cannot help in this SITuation, however do have a somewhat horrid mishap to share. Even though I’m posting 10 years later and this event happened almost 20 years ago when my daughter decided to pee outside.  She was more concerned about not hitting her new Green Bay Packers jacket with her... stream and fell upon a stick. That stick stuck. Between poop and pee. Missed them both miraculously. However inheriting the bad luck genes of her mother, it still went in 5 1/2” and missed everything that could cause a problem, good luck was on her side there. She had to have a drain to help the wound heal from the inside out. Which it did in about 2 weeks. That happened when she was 10. She’ll be 32 this year, and she still pees outside! She simply clears the area of sticks first, and I must admit if the need arises and I’m outside camping in the wilderness I clear the sticks too!
 
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Carol Wayfun wrote:I cannot help in this SITuation, however do have a somewhat horrid mishap to share. Even though I’m posting 10 years later and this event happened almost 20 years ago when my daughter decided to pee outside.  She was more concerned about not hitting her new Green Bay Packers jacket with her... stream and fell upon a stick. That stick stuck. Between poop and pee. Missed them both miraculously. However inheriting the bad luck genes of her mother, it still went in 5 1/2” and missed everything that could cause a problem, good luck was on her side there. She had to have a drain to help the wound heal from the inside out. Which it did in about 2 weeks. That happened when she was 10. She’ll be 32 this year, and she still pees outside! She simply clears the area of sticks first, and I must admit if the need arises and I’m outside camping in the wilderness I clear the sticks too!


Omg, that was horrible to read and thank you for sharing. Definitely a good warning for squatting!! I'm so glad she healed out (mentally too).

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I love this post! It is so helpful. I cannot wait to get one for hiking trips! Thank you for doing the research.

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I wanted one (I probably wrote that long ago), but I can never find them! Only on Amazon, but I do not want to order there ...

"Also, just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them" (Luke 6:31)

 
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I haven't read through ALL of the comments on this thread...yet, but I like this post and it is the first post I am commenting on (new here)! 😀

Ok, so I will not turn down a "regular" toilet. But peeing outdoors is really invigorating to me--powerful 😈

What's the big deal? No one will notice the little splatter on your boots! Popping a squat is really nice! Pooping a squat, not so much. 😅

However, no toilet paper or bandana is less fun, but there are acceptable leaves nearby where I am.

If I am walking out of the long driveway, I try to stuff a little toilet paper in my bra--just incase.

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For those with the sideways problem, you might try this (gravity is your friend). Squat as far as comfortable (wide stance is more important than really deep squats). Bend from the waist, pushing your butt back and up.  Yes, up.  You are approaching peeing upside down.  You want you pee to flow from the tip, so to speak.  Try not to power pee.  
If that doesn’t keep the pee where it belongs, try shifting one hip upwards (but don’t fall down).  If that doesn’t work, don’t give up until you try shifting the other hip up.  
That’s all I got.  But, with my butt in the air, I can pee on a dime.
 
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Awesome thread to read! I cannot believe how much pee I have wasted over the years :) I have always peed outdoors during walks (and done a number 2 as well if the need was very high and no toilet to be found) but never thought of using it as a fertilizer!

When I am in the garden, I used to pee under a large conifer tree, shielding myself from the neighbors' view. Since I read this thread, I started peeing standing up in the shed, using an empty yogurt container, diluting it with rainwater from our rain barrels, and giving directly to any plant that looks like it might need it. I swear, the plants recover overnight.

I'd love to pee standing up like a man, but my anatomy has changed a bit since I gave birth (had a tear in a weird direction) so my flow looks more like a sprinkler...

Though we didn't pee in the yard ourselves, over the years, our compost heap has been enriched wjth the occasional poo or pee from our son when he was too young to make it to the toilet in time.
 
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What a lucky coincidence that this thread popped up again!

I will be gardening soon on a plot away from a toilet and which has not much privacy. I had thought about building a tiny shed soon just to have a bucket there for emergencies.
But for the moment  I have ordered a pstyle that I could probably use when I sit in the car, on the passenger seat with the door open.
I will also plant some high flowers that allow a bit of privacy so that I have some shelter when I don't go by car but by bike.

Regarding pee culture:
My family never encouraged going in the wild, even when there were meadows or forests available. Very strange.
When I met my husband I learned the total opposite: That public toilets are gross and to be avoided at all cost.

So now I will go outside if there are some bushes, but my daughters are so squeamy (teenagers)! It is so uncomfortable to have a full bladder so why not enjoy instant relief?
I vividly remember a trip back from Italy in traffic jam and my eldest daughter had to pee (she was about 4 years old). We had a little potty which we set on the side of the road and sheltered her with a big umbrella. Not once, but several times.

Yesterday after reading this thread I searched for my cut-up plastic bottle which I use in the garden and took it with me to the bathroom (our garden can be viewed from all four directions). It is stowed away in the bucket I use for catching the warm-up water of the shower so no suspicion. If they knew my family would be totally grossed out, hehe.

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Anita Martin wrote: ...
Regarding pee culture:
My family never encouraged going in the wild, even when there were meadows or forests available. Very strange.
When I met my husband I learned the total opposite: That public toilets are gross and to be avoided at all cost.
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I can tell about pee/poo culture too. I went through the old photo book, with the photos of me as a toddler. What did I notice (must have seen it many times before, never paid attention)? My mother helping me (being about 2 or 3 yrs old) squat at the side of the road, in the tall grasses, next to the car (out of sight for others, but not for my dad with the camera). No indecent things to see, but it's clear: little me was peeing or pooing there. So I can tell you here: my family was very encouraging!

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I know this post is pretty old, but I have to comment on it here. I am outdoorsy, having back packed, camped, horse camped, solo hiked, in the wilderness and outdoor settings for years. I even build my own cabin on a 20 acre mining claim, lived there all summer with out an outhouse. I would rather go outdoors in a clean place, then a filthy outhouse. If I can I always choose to go outdoors. Unless there is a clean facility. But I avoid outhouse like the plague.

It is not difficult to pee in the wood. finding the right place and time is the main challenge.  What the main concern is... is getting caught in a compromising position by an unsuspecting paserby!! So as a woman, I must know that I am totally secluded in a place where no one is going to see what I am about to do. I cover my tracks.  I first look around and listen for a while making note of any unusual sounds. Is there anyone with in ear shot?  Can anyone hear me walk off trail in to the woods? does anyone care I just disappeared for a moment; will they come looking for me if I am missing?  Did someone see me walk off the trail. Is anyone following me?  Is this trail a common "toilet trail?" Will someone accidentally follow my path?

when I know I am safe then I can to the job. It is not that it is messy. When a female squats, everything spreads, but you have to squat. You can't half squat. You have to make the commitment. Balance: you can brace against a tree or a log. Doing #2 - the same thing. You will build strong quads from squatting and standing up with out falling over when there are branches and sticks and vegetation all around.  Know your vegetation. You don't want to use poison oak or nettles for toilet paper.

Toilet paper: rocks, bark, leaves anything will work, just as long as its clean. Rocks are the best because they are smooth. Leaves are good if they are soft and green. I always try to carry kleenex with me on day hikes just for that purpose. Now if you are on your monthly cycle, that is a whole other ball game. Unless you are totally prepared with your supplies to carry in and carry out or burn, stay home! You want plastic baggie with supplies, wet wipes, plastic baggy for disposables. Pack them out, burn them, bury them, but get rid of it because it will attract bears. I have never had a problem with predators in the woods. They key is to keep yourself clean. Find a creek and wash off your underparts is the best way to keep clean in the wilderness.

I would never use a gadget like the one shown here. I think these would be handy in public places where you did not want to sit on the seat. It is just another thing, I would have to clean and carry. I don't want a urine soaked gadget in my backpack. It just represents another problem to deal with. I think those are more for traveling on trains or in foreign countries. Anyway, that all I have to say about that!
 
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Nancy Mortensen wrote:I would never use a gadget like the one shown here. I think these would be handy in public places where you did not want to sit on the seat. It is just another thing, I would have to clean and carry. I don't want a urine soaked gadget in my backpack. It just represents another problem to deal with. I think those are more for traveling on trains or in foreign countries. Anyway, that all I have to say about that!



Thanks for sharing your story!  

I ordered one and love it. There is no liquid leftover. A quick rinse with a little water and done. I've then slipped it in my pocket. No wiping needed. No pulling down pants and having to find a hiding place by the poison ivy. Haha.

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Kelda Miller wrote:I also teach young women how to pee when I'm a camp counselor. You cant' start too young


I hope you have their parents' permission for this.  I still remember comments from 5th grade nature camp that were uncomfortable at best, criminal at worst.  

It would have to be an incredible emergency for me to "go" outside.  Compost toilet, fine.  Outhouse, fine.  Honey bucket if I'm desperate.  But out in the open, that's a no.  When a man goes, very little is uncovered and you can't even always tell what they're doing.  With a woman, unless you want to be smelling like urine, the simple act of pulling up your clothes exposes far more than I could comfortable with.  

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Jenny Jones wrote:

Nancy Mortensen wrote:I would never use a gadget like the one shown here. I think these would be handy in public places where you did not want to sit on the seat. It is just another thing, I would have to clean and carry. I don't want a urine soaked gadget in my backpack. It just represents another problem to deal with. I think those are more for traveling on trains or in foreign countries. Anyway, that all I have to say about that!



Thanks for sharing your story!  

I ordered one and love it. There is no liquid leftover. A quick rinse with a little water and done. I've then slipped it in my pocket. No wiping needed. No pulling down pants and having to find a hiding place by the poison ivy. Haha.



Good to know! It’s great to have personal testimonial of functionality before purchasing an unusual gadget like this one.

Blessings,

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I keep this in the most hidden spot behind my house. Excellent stand-up device. Got it from IKEA India, but I'm sure similar ones are available in other countries.
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This IKEA watering can is a useful stand-up device
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But I have found that even well-diluted urine is deadly to small plants and seedlings, or at least prompts aphid infestations. But it's fine for larger plants. That's been my experience, several times. Might be better if your soil has some organic matter in it to absorb and buffer nutrients, but mine doesn't have much.

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I just found out about these spiffy pants that have a discrete "fly" for women so they can pee with ease.

pants for women to pee outdoors
chickfly pants

Aaaaand, they even have pockets!

Chickfly pants pockets

They're not for sale yet, as far as I can tell. BUT, it looks like they will have a kickstarter coming January 12th.

I'm wondering how you manage underwear...do you not wear them, or just pull them to the side?

It looks like they might get made out of natural fibres, too, and I'm super curious to find out how they get all that nice stretchy-ness with natural fibres!

I love that options like this are being made available!



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Nicole Alderman wrote:I just found out about these spiffy pants that have a discrete "fly" for women so they can pee with ease.

...I love that options like this are being made available!



Excellent find Nicole! The following image and tag line are my favorite finds on the website.


Let’s go get our capes,

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Alana Rose wrote:

Nicole Alderman wrote:I just found out about these spiffy pants that have a discrete "fly" for women so they can pee with ease.

...I love that options like this are being made available!



Excellent find Nicole! The following image and tag line are my favorite finds on the website.


Let’s go get our capes,

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Blessings,

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I found a video, too! Let me see if I can embed this...

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I'm definitely in the "Pee inside, but take it outside and put it to good use" camp. It's such an ingrained habit, I always have a recordscratch, "Oh, wait, they don't have a bucket" moment when visiting other people's houses (but never in public restrooms).
 
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Thank You Nicole for sharing information about Chickfly Pants. Yes, we are launching on January 12th. I want to answer a few of your questions: Do you wear underwear with Chickfly?

That is up to you, but if you wear underwear, they need to be stretchy so you can pull them aside. If they are stretchy enough, any style will work for peeing. Some styles that work well are high hipped underwear or thongs. For mountain climbers and those in the arctic tundra who might use these pants for pooping, going without underwear is best.

However, I should mention that the way they cup the vulva feels like you are wearing underwear even when you aren't. You can also wear a menstrual pad or panty liner directly in the pants. If you prefer to wear them without underwear (as I do), but want something between you and the pants so that they stay clean, you can use a folded up piece of cotton, like from a recycled tee shirt.

With regard to the fabric, it is 92% bamboo (colored with organic dye), and 8% lycra. The Lycra is not biodegradable but is necessary for the function of the pants because they have to stretch and pop back into place. I have done a lot of research on biodegradable options and found that there is a new invention - supposedly biodegradable lycra. At this point they do not mix it with natural fibers, so I felt that this was the most sustainable option for today. I will be endlessly searching for sustainable fabrics, so if anyone finds other four-way stretch sustainable fabrics that they love, please let me know.

For more information, please visit the website at Chickfly.com
 
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I am so glad you chose that video to post, Nicole. I can't post it on social media because of the butt exposure example while peeing, and I think it is such a good demo of how the pants work. Thank You.
 
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I work outdoors and often need to pee (*child-sized bladder) I agree that is important to shake when you are done; get into it-pretend you out clubbing!
As far as the "devices" are concerned I have tried them and don't like them, after you are done you are relieved but standing in the woods with a pee-covered object in your hand. The likelihood of getting pee on yourself seems higher than necessary
 
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Nicole Alderman wrote:I just found out about these spiffy pants that have a discrete "fly" for women so they can pee with ease.



Wow, that's wonderful! I wonder if they would be useful for horse riding... I don't see why not? That's how I'm seriously outdoors, these days... can't pee in the garden as someone would see me for sure. Maybe I need to plant more trees and bushes ;)

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