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292 - Review of the Permaculture Orchard

 
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Jocelyn, Sam and the recently crowned (by sepp holzer) Duke Paul Wheaton review The Perma culture Orchard movie by Olivier Asselin that features Stefan Sobkowiak. Note: Paul is the Supreme Executive Producer with Bacon, Cheese and Sparkles for the movie. Stefan's goal was to convert a traditional rowed orchard, in Quebec, into a more earth friendly permaculture environment as well as being certified organic.

The topic opens with accolades to the perma-band, Formidable Vegetables, who play throughout the textbook like presentation.

All of them feel this is good intro to permaculture in a clear and succinct format for anyone fairly new to the concept. There are several comments on whether a permaculture orchard is even possible, especially with the concentration of apple trees vs a broader variety including locust and nuts. Further discussion evolves about the mulch being used as well as permaculture being "beyond organic" especially with the synthetics allowed under the current organic regulations.

Sam addresses that the site selection is of great importance with water table and drainage concerns. They also discuss the necessary diligence taken with wind protection, micro climates and frost movement. Paul prefers the middle ground, on a slope not only for orchards, but gardens, your home aka everything!

Paul takes exception to Stefan's comment "you're just going to have grass" and some of his aggressive pruning techniques.  Discussion moves to the "trio" of trees Stefan outlines in his plan and Paul mentions that he would prefer 1 out of 10 trees being fruit.

Jocelyn shared the best "fun fact" that birds prefer honeysuckle to cherries. No one was familiar (nor was I) of this deterrent.

They mentioned "Broken Limbs" movie and how in this documentary the trees are vastly spread out, no sprays etc and loads of animals.

Discussion moved to dwarf trees that Stepan prefers as well as his preference of planting very young trees to the "grow from seed" that both Paul and sepp holzer prefer.

Paul's closed canopy Organic Gardening video was also mentioned and they discussed how there was so much stuff planted and no grass. All agree that this is a must watch presentation as well.

All agreed that the movie was excellent and worth watching.

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You can get the movie HERE
 
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Does anyone know if there has been an investigation into whether the fruit of full sized trees, as opposed to dwarf trees, is more nutritious, because the roots can reach further to get to more minerals, etc. in the ground?
 
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Kitty Davidhizar wrote:Does anyone know if there has been an investigation into whether the fruit of full sized trees, as opposed to dwarf trees, is more nutritious, because the roots can reach further to get to more minerals, etc. in the ground?

Great question Kitty. A fairly simple experiment can be run to test it. Take an orchard with standard and dwarf trees side by side in an orchard of the same cultivar (same soil, climate, cultivar, fertilizer regimen,...) take representative apples from several replicates of apples from both tree rows. Run standard analyses and see. Seems to be a great senior year project for a nutrition student or agronomy student. Mind you I have not done a literature review to find out if it exists (google scholar obvious 1st place).
 
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This podcast hasn't hit my ITunes subscription. Will look to see if 293 shows up in the next day or two.
 
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that is strange
 
I agree. Here's the link: https://richsoil.com/wood-heat.jsp
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