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coopering...making wooden buckets
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Printed text and coopered items all credited to my husband unless noted otherwise.
Please ask questions if you have any....If he does any coopering this year I'll add some pictures of the process. He's been busy making pitchforks and carving spoons and bowls so far.
I'll be posting pictures of coopered vessels and the tools used to make them along with other bucket cooper shop work including spoons and bowls.
and a link to his work MAKING WOODEN PITCHFORKS
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Description: cedar bucket with white oak hoops and hemp rope handle")
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"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTb2zVpQGg4&feature=player_detailpage
hemp rope handled cedar water bucket....water tight once water swells the wood....cattail fluff is used to seal the bottom.
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Description: hoop join")
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Description: detail of handle")
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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These are made from local eastern red cedar, split from the log...both the staves and head (bottom) are red cedar.
The white oak hoops are split from carefully selected white oak growing out back on our land.
The bottom is sealed with cattail fluff!
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Description: cedar piggin")
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Description: white oak hoop join on piggin")
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Description: inside cedar piggin")
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Description: another smaller piggin with lock and key hoop join")
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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Description: inside")
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Description: head (bottom)")
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"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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These are all of his woodworking tools ...not just the ones used for coopering.![[Thumbnail for coopershop-036.jpg]](/t/37539/a/19153/coopershop-036.jpg "Filename: coopershop-036.jpg
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"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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Thanks,
Jerry
P.S. This is a skill I would love to learn, but too many other demands on my time.
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Jerry Ward wrote:Can you provide some detail on the white oak bands? How are they formed and what keeps them tight?
Thanks,
Jerry
P.S. This is a skill I would love to learn, but too many other demands on my time.
Jerry, I'll be posting an answer soon...
....a couple more pictures. This is a lidded table ware bowl with spoon....used for sugar, mustard, honey...condiments for the table.
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"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
Jerry Ward wrote:Can you provide some detail on the white oak bands? How are they formed and what keeps them tight?
...the answer from S.
"The hoops are made with the same basic green-woodworking (of white oak) technology as the pitchforks and myriad other household objects-splitting, hewing, shaving, scraping,etc.
The goal of all coopering is to make conical arches of tapered and radially beveled staves, held tightly together by unstretchable hoops driven down on the cone.
The hoop and the taper are usually judged so friction alone will hold the hoop in place, but then they are often nailed or pegged in place anyway. I use walnut pegs. What keeps the hoop tight, ultimately, is maintenance...the hoops can always be driven up tighter, or replaced with slightly smaller ones. The nails or pegs have to be pulled and replaced, of course."
In my first post I've linked to the pitchfork thread that pictures most of the 'green woodworking techniques' mentioned above.
One thing that I notice he doesn't mention in this answer is that the hoops are completed and joined into a circle of the correct diameter and THEN driven on to the cone.
feel free to ask more questions....
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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My pictures distort the handles...the extended stave and handle are of equal size on each side of the buckets.
this is an EDIT........i had attributed the buckets in reverse.
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Description: this bucket done by another student")
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Description: this bucket done by another student")
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"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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This is a skill I would love to learn
....and it is still being taught
As many homesteaders know, learning a craft can add satisfaction to one's life while adding diversity to one's income stream. I think woodworking, using hand tools especially, fits well into a permaculture plan. I'm hoping to help inspire others to explore traditional craft both by this topic and the 'making wooden pitchforks' thread. Some skills, like coopering, really need a hands on teacher...others maybe just practice and books and web info.
good luck!
EDIT: all of the above photos are taken at the Cooper Shop at the Ozark Folk Center except for the one of the piggin full of water.
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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After some googling I found this:
http://www.beaverbuckets.com/catalog/bookdvd/
Does anyone has experience how good that book is?
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Toni Tanskanen wrote:Is there good books about making wooden buckets? Or instructions or videos in some webpage?
After some googling I found this:
http://www.beaverbuckets.com/catalog/bookdvd/
Does anyone has experience how good that book is?
Hi, Toni....sorry i am so slow getting back to this.......It looks like you found the cooper that my husband was going to recommend
He thinks that Jim Gaster is an excellent cooper. I haven't looked at the site...are there videos also? Although my husband learned as an apprentice...he says he would still like to get a copy of that book one day.
... welcome to permies! ...and thanks for posting.
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John Devitt wrote:What other material can be used for the hoops?
Here in the PNW I have lots of cedar, but not much Oak. I have Fir, Hemlock, Maple and Alder.
thanks in advance.
he says
"I don't know the woods out there that well, but I suspect Big Leaf Maple is the rough equivalent. It is the very nature of this traditional green woodworking technology to be very local, to accumulate knowledge of the potential uses of the trees in ones own area.
From here (arkansas ozarks) EASTwards, I have heard of oak, hickory, ash and elm being used for hoops and willow and hazel for lighter use."
I can speak from observation of the frustration after cutting and splitting even a perfectly straight grained white oak and finding that it cracks and will not bend into hoops well. Both my husband and our white oak split basket maker friend are noticing this (maybe) more often lately....what is called "brash"...wood that is brittle, less limber than needed for the work that they do. Let us know what you try and how it works.
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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I think, Jim G. uses a silicone in the joints of the bucket, which of course, isn't traditional, but is one of the down sides, I think, to trying to mass produce an item for the public. The buckets pictured in this thread have been carefully fitted so that when filled with a liquid the wood swells and holds tight without the help of a glue or silicone (although cattail fluff is sometimes used to seal the bucket bottom).....it can be done
http://www.beaverbuckets.com/
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"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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he also works in the tradition of the coopered buckets pictured in this thread ......people see my husband in his shop with all of his hand tools and his hat and suspenders and say he looks like Roy.....Roy is not aging, though
it is not the whole show, unfortunately, but a good peek at some fine coopered buckets.
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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and a link to a podcast interview with Ramona.
http://podcast.history.org/2012/01/02/meet-the-cooper/
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTb2zVpQGg4&feature=player_detailpage
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
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Description: CHURN stave and rough split that it is from")
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Description: (either side of saw) stack of rough splits and stack of CHURN staves drawknifed from them")
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Description: a rough split marked for cutting and shaving")
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Description: the CHURN stave (and scrap) from the previous rough split")
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Description: two days work: CHURN staves and bucket staves made from quartered cedar logs comparable to walnut ones shown")
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
"We're all just walking each other home." -Ram Dass
"Be a lamp, or a lifeboat, or a ladder."-Rumi
"In the garden of gentle sanity, May you be bombarded by coconuts of wakefulness.” ~ Chogyam Trungpa
John Devitt wrote:What other material can be used for the hoops?
Here in the PNW I have lots of cedar, but not much Oak. I have Fir, Hemlock, Maple and Alder.
thanks in advance.
I would use the maple trees for hoops in your neck of the woods. work them green and they will be easier to form.
Alder would do nicely for the staves for making buckets and tubs and even dry barrels.
The cedars of the PNW are traditional for making the old style "hot tubs" Staves.
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I'm trying to track down a curved drawknife and am having somewhat of a hard time finding a good source. Would your husband (or anyone else) have any recommendations for where to buy one or a good manufacturer to look out for? I don't mind paying a higher price for good quality. I'd prefer to find a good used antique one somewhere, but might be a bit more lost as to knowing wether or not it's any good.
I've found that flexcut makes a small drawknife that's apparently flexible, which maybe would work? Didn't see anything on Lee Valley's website. Lie-Nielsen has a somewhat expensive one that says it's curved, but doesn't look to be curved.. https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/drawknives/1-draw-c-drawknives?node=4090
Thanks again for all your quality posts!
-WY
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also do a search for traditional wood working tools, there are quite a few companies that still sell the hand tools needed for traditional wood working.
For coopering you will find that there are a few tools that just might need to be made by you. It is nearly impossible to find a croze shave ( croze plane) anymore except for antique ones, which do still work if they aren't cracked.
Other tools that are handy to have on hand are Scorp, Spoke Shaves, Planes, In-shave, Coopers Adze, Hoop driver and hammer (if using metal bands) and Coopers In-shave.
this site: barrel making
This site is also good: tools of the cooper trade
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We love visitors, that's why we live in a secluded cabin deep in the woods. "Buzzard's Roost (Asnikiye Heca) Farm." Promoting permaculture to save our planet Tuwa tokiya kola
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Mike Patterson wrote:Thank you, Judith, for all this great information and wonderful pictures!
I'm trying to track down a curved drawknife and am having somewhat of a hard time finding a good source. Would your husband (or anyone else) have any recommendations for where to buy one or a good manufacturer to look out for? I don't mind paying a higher price for good quality. I'd prefer to find a good used antique one somewhere, but might be a bit more lost as to knowing wether or not it's any good.
I've found that flexcut makes a small drawknife that's apparently flexible, which maybe would work? Didn't see anything on Lee Valley's website. Lie-Nielsen has a somewhat expensive one that says it's curved, but doesn't look to be curved.. https://www.lie-nielsen.com/product/drawknives/1-draw-c-drawknives?node=4090
Thanks again for all your quality posts!
-WY
You seem to have the major woodworker's tool sites ( if you also have Woodcraft and Traditional Woodworker). I can only add that I suppose that by "curved" you mean a barrel cooper's hollow knife, presumably still available from more specialized cooper's tool suppliers, at astronomical prices. I don't use one (although I have inshaves for bowls, etc.); I use a 4" scorp on buckets and churns and a 1 1/2" one on smaller stuff. I do tubs so rarely it hasn't been a problem. (I do the hollowing of the inside of the staves after setting up, or raising, the vessel, instead of hollowing staves individually beforehand as barrels are done.)
See Alex Stewart in The Foxfire Book 3 for making your own croze. The old French word croze just means cross, because the tool is basically a specialized marking gauge, a stick through a board (looking like a cross from the side),adjustable and held by a wedge. The cutting tooth on a bucket croze is usually a piece of an old file, burnt to un-harden, with saw teeth filed into it. (A barrel croze has two knife blades and a "hawk" raker.) Router or croze, whatever you use, the important thing is to get a clean edge to the groove, without chatter or rip-outs that would leak. Usually this means going around and around, a lot of careful little cuts, instead of one big oops.
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Description: my croze...from the top")
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