elle sagenev wrote:
Like you mentioned with the trees, if I bought 100k trees there is no way I could sell off half of them. There are only a few more than 50k people in our capitol city after all. Never mind that trees really don't grow that well here anyway.
Devin Lavign wrote:I live in Eastern Wa, where all the apple orchards are. I wonder all the time why they pack the trees so close together rather than doing a Mark Shepard style. All I can figure out is it is just too difficult for old farmers to learn new tricks. For example, one of my friends started living with one of the original orchard families in the area. My friend is fairly into organics and natural gardening. But trying to get the gentleman who he was living with to understand these concepts was just impossible for him. The guy could not wrap his head around not using heavy chemical stuff, because that was what he had used for all his life.
That said, I have introduced Mark Shepard's videos to multiple younger folks starting out, and they have been very receptive. For example one friend was just floored when I started describing the idea to him. He got very excited and said that was exactly what he wanted to do, that he felt there was a better way but just hadn't known where to look for it.
So the way I figure, what we need to do is work as hard as possible at introducing these ideas as well as other permaculture ideas to the younger folks just starting out. The ones who have not gotten set in their ways yet. They tend to be able to look at the ideas with less bias and while they might not adopt all of the ideas, they are willing to incorporate what they do understand as "better ways".
James Landreth wrote:Personally, I really, really would not invest money and resources in an STUN system in this part of the country, east or west of the cascades. Most of the trees really will fail. There just isn't enough (or any, really) summer rain. My grandmother grew food on the east side for a long time.
I knew of a man who planted a bunch of trees with STUN. One or two made it. He reckoned they were genetically stronger. These were grafted trees, all on the same rootstock. In that situation they were essentially identical from a genetics perspective, at least from the graft down. Really what happened is that those trees were lucky somehow. Maybe that area was little wetter than others, or maybe the roots better developed, etc
I've got a friend using STUN in northern Wisconsin. It will likely work for him, but it rains regularly there in the summer.