For goat people

Cows milk colostrum is good for you, so is Goats milk colostrum.  It is my opinion that the "allergies" are more likely the result of the industrialization of the food chain than any other reason.  I grew up in a family of medical professionals and all of the "old timers" agreed that milk intolerance was unheard of before pasteurization became law.
I grew up drinking raw cows milk.  My Dad's best friend lived on his father in law's dairy farm and back in those days it was pasture in season and hay all winter and never any silage.  I am healthier for it.  There are many "chronic" diseases that are a direct result of industrialized farming.  I did a research paper in 1973 tracing the dramatic rise in all forms of cardio-vascular disease that is directly related to the change from tropical oils to temperate oils.  The general population is being poisoned all throughout the food chain.  I guess that means it is up to us to fix it.

magicdave wrote:
Cows milk colostrum is good for you, so is Goats milk colostrum.  It is my opinion that the "allergies" are more likely the result of the industrialization of the food chain than any other reason.  I grew up in a family of medical professionals and all of the "old timers" agreed that milk intolerance was unheard of before pasteurization became law.
I grew up drinking raw cows milk.  My Dad's best friend lived on his father in law's dairy farm and back in those days it was pasture in season and hay all winter and never any silage.  I am healthier for it.  There are many "chronic" diseases that are a direct result of industrialized farming.  I did a research paper in 1973 tracing the dramatic rise in all forms of cardio-vascular disease that is directly related to the change from tropical oils to temperate oils.  The general population is being poisoned all throughout the food chain.  I guess that means it is up to us to fix it.

I'm with you on this ... I've proven it numerous times with clients .... we have to get back to nature, as we don't know better than her...

Cheers

dolmen wrote:
I'm with you on this ... I've proven it numerous times with clients .... we have to get back to nature, as we don't know better than her...

Cheers

Thanks, I just wanted to address the Colostrum issue without getting into the nutritional aspects of dairy in general.  "Holistic" (alternative) health is where most of my academic endeavors have been over the last 40 years and I am passionate about it but wanted to limit my ranting to the Colostrum issue.
Peace.

Phew yes, and don't I know just HOW important colostrum is.  That's why I was so distressed when my ditsy doe rejected her baby.  However, I am happy to report that after a LOT of effort (every two hours for a week doing the bucking bronco on mummy doe so that baby could feed) Mummy has now accepted her role and is a model mum and they're back with the herd in the pasture.  She quite often holds the creche for all the other babies and her own little one is always close by.  In fact, she now seems to have a closer bond to her baby than the other two does who had no 'ditsy' factor! hey, ain't life grand!!! 

Thank you one and all for being there for us.

Hi Susan:

I think you hit the nail on the head in one of your follow up posts when you said that you had tried "raw" cow milk for the first time a week previous. If you are used to store bought milk, unprocessed goat or cow milk will taste "different".

I have tried store bought goat milk, prior to starting to keep goats, and that  milk has had a different "goaty" taste to it. After we started keeping goats, I tried the milk, with great trepidation, and was very surprised at how similar to cow milk it tasted! In my experience, there is only a very slight difference! We've had a lot of friends who, despite pulling faces, have also tried it and declared much the same.

As to goat or cow milk, environmental issues aside, not observing good hygiene when milking will, I have read, impart flavor to the milk, cow, goat or simply byre.

I have had the experience that keeping a buck in close proximity to your Does makes the milk taste more "goaty."  The first time I raised goats (Nubuans) I had a buck and they all lived together.  The milk was really "goaty" and I made all of it into cheese.  The second time I had goats  I only had Does and the buck belonged to my neighbor and lived over a mile away.  That milk was the best I ever tasted.  I grew up drinking raw cow's milk.  I will not drink pasteurized milk.  If I can't find raw milk I make nut milk.  Pasteurized, homogenized dairy products are not healthy.  Louis Pasteur did not develop his process with dairy in mind.  His work was directed at the preservation of wine. 

I heard a funny story once about some folks who learned to keep their goats fenced away from eucalyptus trees... made the milk taste like Vapo-rub. 

LOL!  Although, I wonder if eucalyptus milk might have some medicinal properties?

Kathleen

LOL too.  Mine are eating brambles and apple trees so I'll pay close attention when next drinking their milk to see if it tastes of blackberry and apple pie 

YUM!

Susan Monroe wrote:
Thank you for all the good information!

I was curious,  as I had my very first taste of raw (cow) milk a couple of weeks ago.  I only buy store milk for cooking because I am lactose-intolerant.  Reading AcresUSA, one article mentioned that raw milk was used as an aid with stomach problems. 

I drank a quart of the raw milk in two days.  WHAT A SHOCK!  No stomach cramps, no gas, no diarrhea or ANYTHING!

So, at least for me, it's not the MILK that causes the problems, so it must be the PASTURIZATION!

Sue

I completely agree Sue.  Mentioning Raw Milk to many people is a good way to start a "debate" though.  Most people don't know that Louis Pasteur developed his "sterilization techniques to preserve wine not dairy products.  The laws that govern dairy pasteurization came about back in the days of the neighborhood breweries that were all over the country in cities.  CAFO type dairies opened in close proximity to those breweries and fed their cows the cooked mash that was essentially free from the breweries.  They were disgusting, filthy places just like they are today and many people were sickened and died from tainted milk.  The milk was blamed instead of the disgustingly filthy environment where the cows were kept and the unsanitary conditions of the dairy.  I have been an advocate for raw milk for decades.  I drank gallons of it growing up in dairy country and it never hurt me or any of my friends.

Alison Freeth-Thomas wrote:
Wow what REALLY interesting info.  My sister has just been diagnosed as lactose intolerant so I'll pass all this info on to her.

Oh and hello, I'm new here.

We live in France and are considering gettings some goats but I have a question.  Are goats like humans in that stimulation produces milk and will continue to do so even if they haven't had a kid recently?  Or are they 'seasonal' and have to have had a kid recently to give milk?  The thought of having to separate the mums from the babies in order to get the milk is a sad one for me (I am currently a breastfeeding mum with baby number 3)

This might help all who are looking for a place to buy Raw Milk.
http://realmilk.com/where.html