• Post Reply Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic
permaculture forums growies critters building homesteading energy monies kitchen purity ungarbage community wilderness fiber arts art permaculture artisans regional education skip experiences global resources cider press projects digital market permies.com pie forums private forums all forums
this forum made possible by our volunteer staff, including ...
master stewards:
  • r ranson
  • Carla Burke
  • Nancy Reading
  • John F Dean
  • Jay Angler
  • paul wheaton
stewards:
  • Pearl Sutton
  • Burra Maluca
  • Joseph Lofthouse
master gardeners:
  • Timothy Norton
  • Christopher Weeks
gardeners:
  • Jeremy VanGelder
  • Maieshe Ljin
  • Nina Surya

How do you prepare for storms and natural disasters?

 
pollinator
Posts: 214
Location: Mid-Michigan, USA
77
2
chicken food preservation medical herbs building wood heat homestead
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Jay Angler wrote:

Donna Lynn wrote: But with turkeys and chickens who are not easy to catch during daylight; and dogs and new cats who don't all get along well together yet, we really don't have a good current plan to evacuate all of us quickly and safely.  

I have read that animals are incredibly good at getting  to safety if you let them free to do so. You might not get them back after, but at least they'd have a fighting chance if there is an unexpected immediate evacuation order.

My Muscovy ducks only get access to chicken feed at bedtime. Food is a great motivator for them. It wouldn't be exactly easy to corral them at an unexpected time, but if you can find something the chickens and turkeys consider a "treat" and mostly save it for emergencies, that would qualify as "preparedness"! You still would require sufficient portable infrastructure to actually evacuate them. We have a lot of dog crates we've mostly been given, but I still don't think there's enough of them to seriously evacuate all our animals. This is certainly something we need to ponder.



Yes, we would free them if we could not take them with us.  They are used to foraging and enjoy it.  But I would worry that they would try to come back to their roosts at night.  Obviously not if there was a fire or a flood, but with a chemical spill they might not realize the danger until it was too late, like the many dead animals that have been reported in the woods around East Palestine, Ohio.

I do give our chickens and turkeys fresh blueberries once in awhile, and that is unanimously their favorite treat.  They follow me around to get them, and just yesterday one pullet darted around me to cut me off and tried to herd me back to the layers' area as I walked away toward the turkeys' yard to give them the rest of the berries XD.  However I'm not sure I could get them to go into our large dog crate and stay there while the rest meandered in.  I'd have to have a really big bowl of blueberries!  Maybe I should see how they like them frozen.  And like you, we don't have enough containment for all the critters.  I could put our breeding pair of turkeys in the dog crate, but the chickens would need something much larger.  Perhaps our smaller coop (a rickety Rural King kit we bought years ago for our first chicks) could fit inside our small open trailer, but even tied down, its safety at highway speeds would be questionable.  Plus it would be difficult for us to lift it into the trailer and would take precious time to disassemble and reassemble.  They could all fit inside it, but would not be comfortable like they are now.  In an emergency we might try it though.  The tractor bucket could be fitted with straps to lift it, although it is made of such flimsy wood pieces that it could break apart under its own weight if not supported just right.  I could reinforce it with 2x4s, but that would add weight.  The right way to do it would be an actual evacuation drill, but that just sounds like a lot of work, LOL!  Maybe in the spring, after the new pullets are fully integrated with the other layers in the larger coop, we can play around with the little coop, see how hard it is to lift by hand, try lifting it with straps, etc.  If I really get ambitious, I could design a new small coop that is sturdier AND can easily be partially disassembled to allow us to quickly reassemble it inside the trailer on short notice.  I could size it to fit perfectly and have windbreak panels all ready to latch into place.  (Now I'm going to be dreaming about designs for that...)
 
master steward
Posts: 13108
Location: Pacific Wet Coast
7559
duck books chicken cooking food preservation ungarbage
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Glad to see you're thinking about it! We used to have a special box that fit on our small trailer, but it died of rot in our wet climate. I have one portable shelter that would fit, but as with you, it wouldn't take near enough of our flock, nor would it be up to our usual standard of comfort. At best, I would be getting my friends to put out requests on facebook etc for people able to house some of them temporarily, far enough away from the problem for them to be safe. We are so used to *not* asking for help, we forget that many strangers will help in emergencies, particularly when innocent animals are involved.

Yes, chemical contamination is a nasty one, as animals have instincts for coping with natural disasters, but not necessarily human ones. However, if the birds will die where they currently are, any effort you make is better than that.

One thing we do have is a roll of electronet fencing that has rarely been used. That might be useful if we have to evacuate and can find any farmer along the way with a field they'd like "fertilized and mown". We have been know to refer to some of our ducks as the "Front Lawn Fertilization Committee"!

Alas, my biggest risk is a large earthquake. Our chicken houses may well cope better with that than the house we live in. Good thing we have plenty of tarps and camping equipment.
 
gardener
Posts: 2485
Location: Central Maine (Zone 5a)
1096
homeschooling kids trees chicken food preservation building woodworking homestead
  • Likes 7
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
On the subject of animal evacuation, I do think a trailer is a good thing. I give full credit to the Rainey's tv show "Homestead Rescue" for this idea.

In one of their episodes they built a mobile barn on a trailer. A chicken coop and goat pen if I recall. But that is where the animals lived. All they had to do was back up the truck, hitch, and drive off. They were preparing for wildfires... but the same method could be used in many situations. It wouldn't work for everyone, but a 20ft trailer can fit quit a few animals, especially poultry. The key is to already have the housing on the trailer with the animals used to going into it.
 
Posts: 144
28
cat purity dog home care trees books chicken food preservation cooking wood heat homestead
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Matt McSpadden wrote:Sudden emergencies can be scary. House fire, hurricane, blizzard, heart attack. We have some good ideas listed here to be prepared.

One big thing is simply to think about it ahead of time when things are not crazy and scary. I know we don't like to think about bad or scary things, but fear is greater in the unknown. Some families don't talk about what to do in a fire because they don't want to scare the kids. But it is a fact that running through a scenario in your head can make it less scary and easier to deal with if you come across the real thing. They suggest running a drill for your kids so they have gone through the process. Some people suggest shutting the power off on a saturday night... figure out what you miss, and start making plans to have backups or alternatives to those things you miss.



I love this post.  A lot.  This is exactly my line of thinking for planning the house I want to build once I get moved.  

I don't consider myself a prepper for doomsday scenarios, but I wholeheartedly believe in being prepared for emergencies and for being able to be the major homebody that I am.  Here are my ideas/plans and I leave them open to suggestions, questions, and criticisms.  I'm here to learn and be better.

Heat:  Masonry Heater with an oven feature built in.  I also want a fireplace to enjoy for aesthetics, as well as a couple of wood burners.  One in the basement and one in the bedroom.  I've waited my whole life to have a fireplace and I know this is a little overkill (and I'm open to altering the plan), but this is something I'm looking forward to the most!

Cooking:  Gas stove for normal use and the wood burners and masonry heater as back-ups.  Also, an outdoor fire pit and a couple of different types of grills.

Electricity:  I'm only concerned about this in the summer because of the heat.  I can sleep in the root cellar below the basement and use candles/oil lamps for light. when I need it.  But, to keep the food fresh, I'm planning a home generator with a 1,000 gallon (buried) propane tank for back-up to keep fridges/freezers going.  Yes, 1,000 gallons is a lot but, like I said, I'm a homebody and this will help keep me out of stores while others without preparations are out and about.  Plus, I can help neighbors and friends.

Food and Supplies:  I stay stocked up with a lot more than I need.  Again, it allows me to help friends and neighbors.  

Water:  I plan to have water storage, but I don't have the actual plan yet.  I'll be on well water so I plan to insulate my pipes against freezing.  I'm considering having a hand pump installed somewhere in the house for emergencies or back-up.  

Gasoline Storage:  I'm looking for safe, reliable options.

Fire, Wind and Storms:  You can only do so much, of course.  I've chosen to build a small, simple house with stone in the same style of Victorian and Edwardian homes in the UK, with thick walls that have deep window ledges.  I love that.  Each room will be its own room, with doors, except I want a kitchen diner combination.  Again, not huge.  For insulation, I've decided to go with sheep's wool insulation for a host of great reasons that will help keep the house cooler in summer, warmer in winter, and helps with humidity, pest control, and fire retardation.

Short Term Power Needs:  Having a couple of portable power supply generators will be helpful.  Or, even for longer term situations, I can bring them to neighbors.  

If the power goes out for a long period of time, I'm also wanting a way to wash clothes and ring them out with one of those manual washing machines because I have no intention of scrubbing laundry down at the creek!  I saw someone on this site had a great set up with a rainwater catchment system right next to their manual washer.  It looked brilliant!

Of course, some disasters you just can't prepare for.  No preparations could prepare folks in Hurricane Helene's path.  But, I'm a firm believer in prayer above all else and simply doing the best you can while looking out for others.  I've planned this for so long that I planned/saved for an expensive infrastructure when I do get to build.  

This thread got me thinking about ways I can be prepared for medical emergencies, too.  I'm glad for that.



 
Posts: 14
Location: California
1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
    Number of slices to send:
    Optional 'thank-you' note:
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator

Kaarina Kreus wrote:Flushing toilets with clean water and pumping that to far-away plants is a pretty new phenomen. Modern outhouses and composting toilets are pretty awesome, especially if you have a garden. No smells and you get composted manure.

I like this model of composting toilet. It looks like the incinerator type. Can you tell us who makes this one Kaarina?
 
catch it before it slithers away! Oh wait, it's a tiny ad:
Learn Permaculture through a little hard work
https://wheaton-labs.com/bootcamp
reply
    Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic