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Jackie Frobese wrote:I’m surprised at how many people reported having trouble with ground nut.
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S Tonin wrote:And Lamb's Quarters, which I can't get rid of no matter how hard I try.
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Victor Skaggs wrote:Crosnes... a variety of betony (Stachys) with tuberous roots which are a bit minty, strange looking, but were a favorite in Colonial gardens (we're always aware of this connection being so close to Monticello). Get a patch of them going in a growing bed and they will spread and proliferate. When you dig them you always miss some, and any bit left in the ground will make a new plant.
Tyler Ludens wrote:I have Malabar Spinach but I think it is a tropical plant, isn't it? Probably won't make it through the winter without special care.
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David Huang wrote:No one has yet mentioned two of best perennial vegetables I grow so far, so I suppose I should. They are daylillies and common milkweed. I like both of these because they provide a steady supply of food over a long period of time.
With the daylillies I'll start harvesting some of the early shoots, which are among the first green things to poke out of the ground around here in the spring. Then later it can literally be a daily harvest of either the large almost ready to open buds, or the daily flowers (I usually pick them in the evening as the sun is about to go down so I've gotten to enjoy them as flowers before having them as food). I could also pick wilted flowers, that had been opened the day before, but find these tend to be great hang out spots for various bugs, so I leave it to them. I understand the tubers are also edible, but haven't yet tried any. I've been trying to get mine to spread and propogate more thus I haven't dug any up. I've got the common, wild orange type along with several other varieties I bought and planted. While I didn't do this on purpose it turns out that I made excellent selections for other types in that they don't all flower at the same time. Instead I have a succession of various types flowering spread out nicely giving me a constant supply for months. (Before anyone asks, I don't know the names of the types I bought anymore.)
With the common milkweed one does need to cook them, but despite what many wild edible plant books say you don't need any sort of complex double or triple boiling techniques to remove the "bitter" aspects. If your milkweed is bitter, spit it out. Common milkweed is NOT bitter! Anyway, in the spring I can eat the shoots. Later in the season I harvest the flower bud clusters, then the flowers, and finally the immature pods. Again, this is a perennial plant that provides an abundance of food over a long period of time. I let mine grow it's colonies in and around the garden beds where I'll plant other things around among them. They certainly attract pollinators as well.
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Casie Becker wrote:It won't help with you not liking artichokes, but I cooked the flower stalk as well as the actual artichoke and it came out just as tender as the artichoke heart, but there was a lot more of it. Seems like by eating only the flower head our artichoke industry is ignoring 75% or more of the good eating on that plant.
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Diane Kistner wrote:I ordered some Crosnes ("Chinese artichoke," Stachys affinis) from someone on Etsy, and when they came I tasted one to be sure I was going to like them. YUM! I've now got them in a raised bed all by themselves and am glad to hear you say they will spread and proliferate. I read somewhere they can be left in the ground until needed and should survive in my zone 8a. The tuber looks like a little Michelin Man. I only ate the one raw because I didn't want to waste my planting stock, but I'm looking forward to trying them in stir fries, too.
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Matthew Nistico wrote:Thank you for cross-referencing the various names, including the full latin name! Very useful. I gave you an apple for your efforts : )
Diane Kistner wrote:The one thing I didn't remember to mention is that there seem to be two different pronunciations of Crosnes: "Crow's knees" or "Crones." I think the French pronounce it "Crones." I can't decide which pronunciation I like the best because both are kind of cool. How do people here pronounce it?
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Matthew Nistico wrote:I speak a very little French - though enough to enable communication that once got a wee college student version of myself out of Italy and back to the UK after missing the last train, even while bereft of Italian currency, and when I was otherwise less than 24 hours from missing my return flight to the US and being stranded in Europe, LOL! - so I can answer your question. I believe the French town, Crosne, would be pronounced something like "crone," and so would then be the plant named for it. The plural is still pronounced "crone" - the final "s" would be silent. If you care to anglicize it, you can choose to pronounce the plural as "crones."
Matthew Nistico wrote:This particular species of Asian betony, however, can hardly claim that history of English language usage. Therefore, I for one plan to use the French pronunciation. That is, when I am not calling it "Chinese artichoke," which seems a lot catchier than Crosne in the first place.
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Matthew Nistico wrote:Okay, if we are discussing linguistics, then I have a question for the permies: what is up with this apparent trend of naming any novel root crop an "artichoke"?! Same deal with the Jerusalem artichoke. Neither one has the first damned thing to do with an artichoke. What next? Will we start calling yacons "Peruvian artichokes"? Although at least in calling Stachys affinis the "Chinese artichoke" they managed to get the continent right. Jerusalem artichokes are North American!
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Beth Wilder wrote:Lol, I don't think I could ever get used to calling crosnes Chinese artichokes. I stumble over explaining to folks, when I say "sunchokes," that they might know them as Jerusalem artichokes.
For what it's worth re: crosnes, I worked at the restaurant started by the chef and talked often to the farmer who together are credited with bringing crosnes from France to the States (in the '70s or '80s? I can't remember). Odessa Piper, who had done a little farming, started L'Etoile Restaurant in Madison, WI, which is still open and still purchases most of its ingredients from local farmers. The story is that she visited France and tried crosnes and loved them, so she stuffed some in her dirty socks and smuggled them back to Madison in her luggage. She handed them over to her friend Richard at Harmony Valley Farm (I can just imagine the look on his face) and he planted them. He thought for a few years recently that he'd lost them (i.e. couldn't find any coming up), but then discovered a hidden patch, and they returned to the big famous farmers' market around the capitol square in Madison.
I love those little crunchy grubs. I think of them as mint tubers, since they're Lamiaceae. I'd love to try growing them here in the desert, but don't know if they'd make it. I do intend to try sunchokes.
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Matthew Nistico wrote:
Matthew Nistico wrote:This particular species of Asian betony, however, can hardly claim that history of English language usage. Therefore, I for one plan to use the French pronunciation. That is, when I am not calling it "Chinese artichoke," which seems a lot catchier than Crosne in the first place.
Okay, if we are discussing linguistics, then I have a question for the permies: what is up with this apparent trend of naming any novel root crop an "artichoke"?! Same deal with the Jerusalem artichoke. Neither one has the first damned thing to do with an artichoke. What next? Will we start calling yacons "Peruvian artichokes"? Although at least in calling Stachys affinis the "Chinese artichoke" they managed to get the continent right. Jerusalem artichokes are North American!
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Matthew Nistico wrote:
Okay, if we are discussing linguistics, then I have a question for the permies: what is up with this apparent trend of naming any novel root crop an "artichoke"?! Same deal with the Jerusalem artichoke....Jerusalem artichokes are North American!
Meg Mitchell wrote:"Artichoke sunflower" isn't any more egregious than "pineapple" imo.
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Sally Munoz wrote:My friend and I have been calling them Helianthus tubers and it's starting to stick around here. ;)
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Sally Munoz wrote:
Matthew Nistico wrote:
Okay, if we are discussing linguistics, then I have a question for the permies: what is up with this apparent trend of naming any novel root crop an "artichoke"?! Same deal with the Jerusalem artichoke....Jerusalem artichokes are North American!
My friend and I have been calling them Helianthus tubers and it's starting to stick around here. ;)
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Beth Wilder wrote:Lol, I don't think I could ever get used to calling crosnes Chinese artichokes. I stumble over explaining to folks, when I say "sunchokes," that they might know them as Jerusalem artichokes.
For what it's worth re: crosnes, I worked at the restaurant started by the chef and talked often to the farmer who together are credited with bringing crosnes from France to the States (in the '70s or '80s? I can't remember). Odessa Piper, who had done a little farming, started L'Etoile Restaurant in Madison, WI, which is still open and still purchases most of its ingredients from local farmers. The story is that she visited France and tried crosnes and loved them, so she stuffed some in her dirty socks and smuggled them back to Madison in her luggage. She handed them over to her friend Richard at Harmony Valley Farm (I can just imagine the look on his face) and he planted them. He thought for a few years recently that he'd lost them (i.e. couldn't find any coming up), but then discovered a hidden patch, and they returned to the big famous farmers' market around the capitol square in Madison.
I love those little crunchy grubs. I think of them as mint tubers, since they're Lamiaceae. I'd love to try growing them here in the desert, but don't know if they'd make it. I do intend to try sunchokes.
Nican Tlaca
Xisca Nicolas wrote:
Sally Munoz wrote:My friend and I have been calling them Helianthus tubers and it's starting to stick around here. ;)
In France my father called them Hélianthe Ey-lee-ant
but he did not know that the tuber was edible! We had them for the flowers and as a border along the Street.
My father complained that he could not contain them and had to keep removing them from the veggie garden! And they all ended up in the compost after some drying!
In Tahitian, pineapple is called painapo… so you can tell that this was not grown there by their ancesters! Pronounce it like pineapple, suppressing the l sound and thus ending with a -o sound!
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