Here's some photos of fruits of some of the wild tomato species. Taste of fully ripe fruits is sweet and very fruity. Lots of possibilities for selecting new tomato flavors.
Solanum peruvianum
Inter-species hybrid between domestic mother and S. habrochaites father. From the wild species, the plants are exhibiting: huge flower petals, striped fruits, hairy fruits, and wild leaves. The plants inherited inserted stigma from the domestic tomatoes. With so many wild traits showing up in the F1, it makes it easy to confirm that the crosses were successful.
I'm continuing to work on this project overwinter. I have about 30 plants growing in a south facing window. Some of them are ripening fruit. For example: Here is an F1 hybrid. The mother was a red NoID from my landrace. Fruit was about 2" in diameter. The pollen donor was LA1777, Solanum habrochaites, a wild tomato with green/white fruits about 1/2" in diameter. So the cross took on the small-fruit size of the wild parent, and it picked up some genetics for a hint of yellow color from the domestic tomato. I expect the next generation to segregate into plants with lots of different colors and shapes of fruits, and lots of different leaf and vine shapes.
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:The F1 hybrid: [NOID Red X LA1777]
This morning, the seedlings from these fruits had germinated. That makes them the grandchildren of the original cross between wild tomatoes and domestic tomatoes. That's the generation where things get really exciting for a plant breeder! Things are looking good for this generation to produce seeds before I'll be wanting them for planting in the spring. Happy Dance!!!
This project just keeps getting more exciting. Nice that the greenhouse is allowing you to get multiple generations per year. Can't recall if you mentioned the diameter of the fruits at this point...does the grid below the fruit in the photo indicate a 1 cm x 1 cm square with the + signs at the corners? Or is that 1" x 1"? Will you then be backcrossing for larger fruit size? It would be really cool down the road if a seed packet ordered from your catalog would contain all of the genetics being compiled in these current crosses for re-selection by gardeners from Tierra del Fuego to Tuktoyaktuk. A legacy project, Joseph!.....
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Thanks. The + signs on the grid are 1 cm apart. The dots are 1 mm apart. That's the only size grid that I use for photography. I aughta modify the graphic to include that info.
The domestic tomato that was the mother of this cross was about 2" in diameter, so I'm expecting that some of the offspring will be that size as well. I made crosses with other domestic mothers, with fruits about 6 oz, and the same wild pollen donor, so I expect fruits of that size to be showing up also. Next summer, I intend to make a back-cross to mothers with 12 oz fruits. That's about the biggest fruits I can expect to ripen in my climate.
I'm attempting to keep the first generation plants alive for the whole winter, so that I can plant them in dirt this spring, and generate lots of second generation seeds for sharing. That will give the widest possible selection choices for people in other areas. They are currently growing in my bedroom window. In 6 weeks I'll be able to move them back out to the greenhouse. They are not currently flowering, but fruits that formed earlier are continuing to ripen.
I attempted the back-cross to S. habrochaites in the fall. Fruits from the attempt are growing fine. I expect them to ripen within a month. I don't expect to be able to tell if the cross was successful until the fruits ripen in about 4 months. I'm expecting to attempt many more back-crosses to S. habrochaites, trying to incorporate the self-incompatibility gene into domestic tomatoes. That's the primary focus of this project.
I also attempted back-crosses to a different line of domestic tomatoes. Those seedlings have also germinated, I'll know in a few weeks if the cross was successful. I'm only contemplating making one more manual back-cross to domestic tomatoes in order to recover larger fruits... Additionally, I'll watch my tomatoes carefully, because some naturally occurring back-crosses will be happening because I am encouraging promiscuous pollination.
Hi Joseph
Interesting stuff but above my head these days . Yesterday the weather was grotty so I decided to look though my seed catalogue that came in the post that morning . In it I found something that might interest yourself and others thinking of breeding some tomatoes . As I understand it most tomatoes have been so inbread they cannot breed with other tomatoes bit like the Royal families of europe . So I was surprised to find this in the catalogue Tomato Groseille / Red Current Lycospersicon pimpinellifolium with the warning dont grow this if you want to save seeds as it pollinates other tomatoes http://www.germinance.com/tomate_groseille_27-F9-E91.php ( yes I know its in French but since I live in France you have to go with the flow non? ) Could this be used by others seeking to make their own land race ?
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http://www.permies.com/t/80/31583/projects/Permie-Pennies-France#330873
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David: I'm loving it! A warning from a seed company that a tomato is promiscuous. I'm currently growing Lycospersicon pimpinellifolium. It does really well in my frost/cold tolerance trials. It would be a good species to use for those wishing to add diversity to their tomato landraces. The flowers are super-tiny, so I'm not currently using it in the auto-hybridizing project. For that project, I am targeting huge flowers.
Here's the pedigree of some the tomatoes that are currently growing in my bedroom window that are part of the auto-hybridizing tomato project. I've been saying that the pedigrees for the promiscuous pollination project are complicated. I didn't realize the magnitude of the complexity until today. There is a mix of naturally occurring and manual cross-pollenations. There are four lines of 7-way crosses.This graph represents the core of the most advanced lines, where there was a favorable intersection of my desires, dumb chance, plant compatibility, etc. Some varieties that I wish were included are completely missing.
A single arrow on the graphic is flow of pollen from the father of a cross to the mother. If the arrow is circular, the plant self-pollinated. The doubled arrows lead to offspring through one or more generations of selfing or selection. The boxes represent the current generation of seeds or seedlings that are only a few weeks old. Perhaps some of them will produce seeds before spring.
I'm really loving this project. The box labeled "BC1" may contain self-incompatible tomatoes. I harvested 15 seeds for BC1 this morning. The other two boxes probably contain lots of different types of promiscuously pollinating tomatoes, but I don't expect them to be self-incompatible.
"One big exception to the sad state of the average beefsteak is the resurgence of so-called heirloom varieties seen in farmers markets and upscale grocery stores. Those vegetables are often grown using generations-old seeds, selected for their flavor above all else. But they come at a premium."
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The thing that sticks with me from that article is how they're all like "Look at how advanced we are. We have the technology now to tell if a tomato tastes good. NOW we can grow tasty tomatoes." Now that it can use expensive and specialized equipment the farmers will be expected to by, it's becoming an industry priority? Anyone else seeing that?
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@Casie B.: "Now that it can use expensive and specialized equipment the farmers will be expected to by, it's becoming an industry priority? Anyone else seeing that?"
Yup....when it comes to standard industry interests and practices, "follow the green".....and I'm not talking about the color of the foliage.
What has been cool about following Joseph's and others progress is that, for most of the breeding projects, it's about everything *but* uniformity of product. Taste is only one of many traits for which the different collections are being saved and propagated. And when it does come to taste, why create a machine for what your own taste buds and olfactories can do cheaper, more sensitively, more accurately,.....and more uniquely to the palate of the taster? Imagine if over half of your neighbors had their own selection/breeding projects going where taste to the grower was key and seeds were shared between homes. You might end up liking 'Jane's sweet corn' who lives two doors down more than others on the block, but may like 'Bill's paste tomato' who lives across the back alley more than anyone else's, simply because you share their same respective palate for those flavors.
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Joseph Lofthouse
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I'm continuing to work on this project overwinter. I'm growing about 30 plants in a bedroom window, and just started their offspring in a germination chamber. Another week or so, and I'll be able to take them out to the greenhouse during warmer days. Some of the offspring are forming flower buds, so it's looking good to get one more generation of seeds grown out before I start the spring tomatoes.
I didn't realize, before I started this project, how beautiful the offspring would be. Here's some tomato flowers that are a hybrid between domestic and wild tomatoes. I'm loving the bold floral display.
Casie Becker wrote:Am I right in guessing these are determinate tomatoes? Or has your focus on the flowers allowed some indeterminate traits to survive?
My starting varieties were a mix of determinates and indeterminates. Fruits were red, yellow, purple, or white. Fruit size was between 0.5" and 2.5", so offspring are likely to have a wide range of traits. My primary selection criteria is for promiscuous flowering traits, and ability to make viable seeds. Once that is well established, then I'll select for other traits like taste, and large fruits. I'm likely to settle on determinate growth pattern, cause that tends to work best with my short season. I'm likely to select for yellow, orange, or white fruited tomatoes because I don't much care for the taste of red or purple fruits. A tremendous amount of diversity is expected, and I'm sharing seeds widely, so all sorts of wonderful traits and varieties are likely to arise from this project.
There are currently 16 fruits growing in my bedroom window, so I may have more seeds to share before spring.
It's funny how completely opposite your tomato taste and needs are to mine. The deep darker red a tomato is, the better it tastes to me. Yellow and orange tomatoes taste rather insipid to me. The best of them taste like a typical supermarket red tomato. I've never tried a purple tomato, but I suspect I'd like it. On top of that, I have a very long growing season and I'm happiest when I get a tomato plant through all eight months we can grow them here. Most people just plant a second set of plants in the fall because disease pressure and heat stress can be so hard on the spring plants.
Unfortunately, I also have a family member in the house who is deathly allergic to tomatoes. She can't even stand near the plants. I only grow a couple of plants each year, in beds at the far reaches of the yard. I've already planted saved seed from a variety I was impressed with. If it wouldn't risk sending my sister into anaphylatic shock I would consider trying to make next year my 'year of tomatoes'.
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Hi Joseph
I thought of you today as I have been reading " Legumes " by JM Pelt ( it's in French I doubt it's available in the. uSA ) where he states that until the 1780s tomatoes where grown more for decoration than fruit in France . I wonder if these veg had flowers like yours People did not eat the fruit because it raised unhealthy appetites strangely he gives no more details on this
David
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Though not part of Joseph's project yet, his efforts have inspired my own goings and tinkering in the wild tomato breeding area.
Today i planted seed for 4 accessions of S. galapagense, one S. cheesmaiae, 2 S. habrochaites, and 1 S. peruvianum. I used the 1:1 ratio of water:bleach method soaked for 30 min for all of them (with a little lemon juice and cream of tartar mixed in). For S. galapagense and S. cheesmaniae they actually recommend 1 hour soaking, but i only did 30 min.
My earlier pots of test S. galapagense and S. cheesmaniae seemed to have germinated well. I have at least 5 seedlings of each that i can probably separate at some point into separate pots. The S. galapagense did take longer to germinate though and when i was still unsure if they would germinate at all i did add a little lemon juice to the soil one day. Not sure if it helped, but i guess it didn't hurt.
One of the accessions i think for S. cheesmaniae for the notes i wrote on the seed packet said exerted stigma and antho, so that sounds exciting. One of the S. galapagense accessions said red fruit which is unusual. I'm hoping the orange-brown fruit one actually is brown.
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In a flat of seedlings which were harvested from S. peruvianum, that were inter-planted with S. habrochaites, there is one seedling that is off-type. Perhaps it's an interspecies hybrid? I'll keep watch on it, and see if other traits diverge later on.
The second photo is what is typical of the mother on the right. What is typical of the father on the left, and what looks like a plant with traits mid-way between the suspected parents in the middle.
The third photo shows a ripe tomato from a cross between a red domestic tomato, and S. habrochaites. Andrew: If it has any seeds in it, some of them are intended for you. The fruit turned more yellow under the sunlight in the greenhouse than it did in a low-light bedroom window.
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:The third photo shows a ripe tomato from a cross between a red domestic tomato, and S. habrochaites. Andrew: If it has any seeds in it, some of them are intended for you. The fruit turned more yellow under the sunlight in the greenhouse than it did in a low-light bedroom window.
Wow! Thanks!
Here's my update so far.
Photo 1: Solanum galapagense. I LOVE these leaves!
2. Solanum cheesmaniae
3. Solanum habrochaites
4. Misidentified as Wx5 but really Solanum cheesmaniae?
5. Regular Tomato for comparison. I believe this is the variety known as "Anasazi" that i got from Boulder, CO.
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Andrew Barney wrote:4. Misidentified as Wx5 but really Solanum cheesmaniae?
Looks like what I call WxO, or Wild Orange (synonymns) The defining characteristic of the variety is that it's the sweetest variety that I have grown. It came from the same set of crosses as Wx5, so recently descended from an unknown wild ancestor.
One of the second generation plants from this project is currently flowering. The anther cones are loosely-connected, and open, and the stigmas are somewhat exerted (inside red circles). Yay! The petals are small. Oh well. The floral display is decent in spite of the small petals. So it's OK as a first approximation. I am pollinating it with other plants from this project that have huge petals. The plant has a determinate growth pattern, which tends to work well in my garden.
Here's what part of the project looks like as of 2017-04-08.
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Panamorous tomatoes
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Polyamorous and panamorous tomato breeding project
Fruits ripened for the panamorous pollination project last week. I squeezed the juice/seeds out of them into a bottle to ferment. The fermentation finished today, so I harvested about 118 seeds. These are F2 seeds, the second generation since the cross. This is the most exciting generation for a plant breeder, because that's where the most diversity shows up in crosses.
I love this project... Fruits are ripe today from a fine specimen of "Oh My!". They were pollinated by "F1" in the pedigree shown a few posts ago. And by other pollen donors, some shown on the pedigree and others not shown. What the pedigree didn't show is that F1 is 4 distinct lines of tomatoes. So the pedigree is more like a mesh-network. There is plenty of time this growing season to grow out the seeds, and select for traits that will further the project. Additionally, many more lines are currently flowering, and I am able to select for desired traits before planting them out into the garden, which I expect to do in about 2 weeks.
I love the flowers of the wild species. There are 3 different wild species in the following photo, and inter-species hybrids between wild and domestic tomatoes.
Variation in mating systems and correlated floral traits
in the tomato clade
The wild relatives of the cultivated tomato provide a
great diversity in mating systems and reproductive biology
(Rick 198. Several species, including cultivated tomato,
S. lycopersicum (formerly Lycopersicon esculentum), are
autogamous, i.e. self-compatible (SC) and normally selfpollinating
(Table 1). They bear small- to modest-sized
flowers, on mostly simple and short inflorescences; their
corolla segments are relatively pale colored, the anthers
short, and the stigma surface does not protrude (exsert) far
beyond the tip of the anther cone, all traits that promote
self-pollination and discourage outcrossing.
At the other end of the spectrum are several allogamous
(outcrossing) species. These taxa are all self-incompatible
(SI) and have floral traits that promote cross-pollination,
including large, highly divided inflorescences, brightly
colored petals and anthers, and exserted stigmas. This
group includes two pairs of sister taxa—S. juglandifolium
and S. ochranthum, and S. lycopersicoides and S. sitiens—
that are closely allied with the tomato clade, but are classified
in two other sections of the genus (Peralta et al.
200. All four of these tomato allies have unique floral
traits that set them apart from the tomatoes: anthers lack
the sterile appendage typical of tomato flowers, pollen is
shed via terminal anther pores instead of through longitudinal
slits, anthers are unattached rather than fused, and
flowers are noticeably scented (Chetelat et al. 2009). It
should be noted that S. pennellii lacks the sterile appendage
and has terminal pollen dehiscence, but in all other respects
more closely resembles the other members of the tomato
clade.
Between these extremes are two groups of species with
facultative mating systems. The first group, which includes
S. pimpinellifolium and S. chmielewskii, is SC but their
floral structures promote outcrossing. Within S. pimpinellifolium,
there is significant variation in both flower size
and outcrossing rate. Under field conditions with native bee
pollinators, the rate of outcrossing in S. pimpinellifolium
was positively correlated with anther length and stigma
exsertion (Rick et al. 197.
Another striking difference is that flowers of S. sitiens and S. lycopersicoides are strongly scented, whereas those of S. chilense and S. peruvianum—like all other members of Solanum sect. Lycopersicon—have no obvious odor (Table 3). The production of volatile scent compounds presumably serves to attract insect pollinators, perhaps a broader suite of bee species or other types of insects. Interestingly, the floral scent of S. sitiens, a ‘mothball-like’ odor, is noticeably different from that of S. lycopersicoides, which is more reminiscent of honey or nectar.
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Andrew, I'm currently growing 9 species of tomatoes, but not S. sitiens or S. lycopersicoides.
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:2017-04-11: Fruits ripened for the panamorous pollination project [...] I harvested about 118 seeds.
Today I transplanted the seedlings into larger pots. There were 54 plants -- all derived from the same grandmother and grandfather. The seeds germinated and grew unevenly, so some are much more developed than others. I am thrilled with just under 50% germination! Some of the plants have fern-like leaves like their grandmother. With so many plants, there should be lots of opportunity to select for desired traits like flower characteristics, fruit size, and taste. I tasted some of the fruits from this family today. I was pleased that they picked up fruity flavors from the wild ancestor.
I planted about 40 seeds today from a different grandmother (same grandfather).
I have saved plenty of room in my fields to plant these widely separated so that I can easily evaluate each plant.
In the next few weeks, I expect more fruits to be developing. If any of you have been wanting to participate in this project, send me a first class postage stamp, and I'll share about a dozen F2 seeds as they become available.
Also, the most precocious of the F2 plants, from a different family, has fruits on it that are almost ripe. It's great-grandfather is the same as the grandfather of the plants in the other photo. I was able to grow out 3 generations of this family in a single growing season.
F1 = the first generation (children) of the cross
F2 = The second generation (grandchildren) of the cross
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Grandchildren of cross between fern-leaved tomato and Solanum habrochaites
I love this thread. Joseph sent me some seed for a Solanum cornelio-muellerii x S. Peruvianum hybrid and the second plant just bloomed. Kind of exciting and it's different from the first the exserted stigma is much shorter. I call the first plant "faster father" and the second "slower father" because Joseph speculated over in a thread where I've been writing about my direct seeding adventures that two different accessions of S. Peruvianum he grew out were the pollen donors for the two accessions. One which grew faster and the other slower. Pictures below.
Might as well also show pictures of some other interesting wild tomatoes. The solanum habrochaites Joseph sent me "one from each accession" and a photo of a potato leaf plant called "Dwarf Hirsutum cross" from J&L Gardens in NM.
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:In a flat of seedlings which were harvested from S. peruvianum, that were inter-planted with S. habrochaites, there is one seedling that is off-type. Perhaps it's an interspecies hybrid? I'll keep watch on it, and see if other traits diverge later on.
The second photo is what is typical of the mother on the right. What is typical of the father on the left, and what looks like a plant with traits mid-way between the suspected parents in the middle.
This seedling is very interesting and if it is indeed a cross between Habrochaites and Peruvianum I would love to have some seed from it! However it occurred to me it might possibly be the reciprocal cross from that Joseph sent me. Peruvianum x Cornelio muellerii. Though depending on circumstances this might not even be a possibility. I've been thinking I had 5 Cornelio-muelleri x peruvianum plants and 1 Solanum peruvianum. In examining my photos I think my tiniest Cornelio-muelleri x peruvianum is a second pure peruvianum and my labeling diligence needs work. So here are photos of the five for comparison.
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Fast father resprout
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Slow father resprout
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Big younger resprout
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Probably a tiny pure peruvianum- which means I have two resprout peruvianums
I did a search for promiscuous individuals and varieties amongst my domestic tomatoes. Some of the beefsteaks are a little promising with some big messy double flowers with fused stigmas that should have higher outcrossing rates. One of the potato leaved Matina plants has slightly exserted stigmas. 2 of the JL landrace 2015 Potato Leaves are about the same and my real big Blue Gold is about the same- it has a slight tendency to push its stigmas out the side of its anther cone- and it'd the first domestic I spotted a bumble bee on. I found a few flowers of 42 days that seemed exserted but this seems to happen later in the flower development. However then I hit a jackpot. Blue Ambrosia has highly exserted stigmas comparable to those on the Solanum cornelio muelleri x S. Peruvianum and S. Peruvianum. Looks like I have five plants of this variety with two in bloom already and both of the two have the trait. It starts early on the young flowers and continues until they are old comparable again to the wild tomatoes.
I'm excited about this as I bet this means something like a 20% outcrossing rate or better for these plants. I'll definitely be saving a lot of seed and planting a lot of Blue Ambrosia next year. Most of the hybrids should have red fruit. Since Blue Ambrosia is a yellow/blue tomato which is doing well in direct seeding attempts (55 DTM) it should be possible to direct seed a lot of it next year. Hundred row feet next year? You bet! Hmm- hope it tastes good!
So I went a little crazy with the new vegibee pollinator this morning. I started with some of the pampered backyard tomatoes. Got a mix of pollen on the spoon from White Shah, Michael Pollen, Pineapple, D5 frost Trials, and maybe some from Krainy Sever. Then I ripped apart some young sweet Cherriette flowers. Pulled off the anther cone and dipped the stigma in the pollen spoon.
Then I went out to the land with those exposed stigmas of Blue Ambrosia on my mind.
I mixed pollen on the spoon from Forest Fire, Sweet Cherriette, 42 Days and Jagodka and dipped the Stigmas of the first Blue Ambrosia plant.
Then I added pollen from Siletz and dipped the stigmas of the second plant (March direct seeded).
Not done I went to the Solanum cornelio-muelleri x S. Peruvianum patch. I left the domestic pollen on the spoon just for luck and collected pollen from slow father, fast father, straight peruvianum, and that faster growing plant from the second batch (might be a fast father full sibling). Then I dipped the stigmas of the five or so flowers on the 2 frost top survivor with the different colored foliage. I went back to fast and slow for some more stigma dipping.
My wild promiscuous tomato patch has progressed in my absence. My LA 1777 descended Neandermato has grown and is putting out some tight buds.
However Slow Father and Fast Father have green fruits. However fast father has a purple stripe while slow father is uniformly purple. I just checked above and that stripe can be normal for peruvianum.
Also the plant of that same Cornelio-muelleri x which survived two frosts seems yet to have formed any fruits. With its different coloration I have to wonder if it has a different father- but what or whom?
William Schlegel wrote:My wild promiscuous tomato patch has progressed in my absence. My LA 1777 descended Neandermato has grown and is putting out some tight buds.
However Slow Father and Fast Father have green fruits. However fast father has a purple stripe while slow father is uniformly purple. I just checked above and that stripe can be normal for peruvianum.
Also the plant of that same Cornelio-muelleri x which survived two frosts seems yet to have formed any fruits. With its different coloration I have to wonder if it has a different father- but what or whom?
We'll amend that upon further observation. The LA 1777 descended plant buds are larger- close to blooming but not quite. Also interestingly the stigma has yet to emerge.
The plant which survived two frosts has formed a few fruits!- yay it is also the plant which I really want to plant the descendents of and ultimately cross with domestics.
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. So I was surprised to find this in the catalogue Tomato Groseille / Red Current Lycospersicon pimpinellifolium with the warning dont grow this if you want to save seeds as it pollinates other tomatoes http://www.germinance.com/tomate_groseille_27-F9-E91.php ( yes I know its in French but since I live in France you have to go with the flow non? ) Could this be used by others seeking to make their own land race ?
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Description: Cross between domestic and wild tomatoes.")
![[Thumbnail for tomato-panamorous-2017-04-08.jpg]](/t/54641/a/49234/thumb-tomato-panamorous-2017-04-08.jpg "Filename: tomato-panamorous-2017-04-08.jpg
Description: Panamorous tomatoes")
![[Thumbnail for tomatoes-polyamorous-2017-04-08.jpg]](/t/54641/a/49235/thumb-tomatoes-polyamorous-2017-04-08.jpg "Filename: tomatoes-polyamorous-2017-04-08.jpg
Description: Polyamorous and panamorous tomato breeding project")
![[Thumbnail for tomato-panamorous-2017-04-08.jpg]](/t/54641/a/49234/tomato-panamorous-2017-04-08.jpg "Filename: tomato-panamorous-2017-04-08.jpg
Description: Panamorous tomatoes")
![[Thumbnail for tomatoes-polyamorous-2017-04-08.jpg]](/t/54641/a/49235/tomatoes-polyamorous-2017-04-08.jpg "Filename: tomatoes-polyamorous-2017-04-08.jpg
Description: Polyamorous and panamorous tomato breeding project")
![[Thumbnail for interspecies-hybrid-tomato-fruits.jpg]](/t/54641/a/49306/thumb-interspecies-hybrid-tomato-fruits.jpg "Filename: interspecies-hybrid-tomato-fruits.jpg
Description: Inter-species tomato fruits")
![[Thumbnail for fern-f2-seeds.jpg]](/t/54641/a/49307/thumb-fern-f2-seeds.jpg "Filename: fern-f2-seeds.jpg
Description: Interspecies tomato seeds")
![[Thumbnail for interspecies-hybrid-tomato-fruits.jpg]](/t/54641/a/49306/interspecies-hybrid-tomato-fruits.jpg "Filename: interspecies-hybrid-tomato-fruits.jpg
Description: Inter-species tomato fruits")
![[Thumbnail for fern-f2-seeds.jpg]](/t/54641/a/49307/fern-f2-seeds.jpg "Filename: fern-f2-seeds.jpg
Description: Interspecies tomato seeds")
![[Thumbnail for descended-from-wild-tomatoes.jpg]](/t/54641/a/50890/thumb-descended-from-wild-tomatoes.jpg "Filename: descended-from-wild-tomatoes.jpg
Description: Fruits descended from wild tomatoes")
![[Thumbnail for wild-tomato-flowers.jpg]](/t/54641/a/50891/thumb-wild-tomato-flowers.jpg "Filename: wild-tomato-flowers.jpg
Description: Flowers on wild tomatoes")
![[Thumbnail for descended-from-wild-tomatoes.jpg]](/t/54641/a/50890/descended-from-wild-tomatoes.jpg "Filename: descended-from-wild-tomatoes.jpg
Description: Fruits descended from wild tomatoes")
![[Thumbnail for wild-tomato-flowers.jpg]](/t/54641/a/50891/wild-tomato-flowers.jpg "Filename: wild-tomato-flowers.jpg
Description: Flowers on wild tomatoes")
. Several species, including cultivated tomato,
![[Thumbnail for f2-hybrid-fern-x-solanum-habrochaites.jpg]](/t/54641/a/51752/thumb-f2-hybrid-fern-x-solanum-habrochaites.jpg "Filename: f2-hybrid-fern-x-solanum-habrochaites.jpg
Description: Grandchildren of cross between fern-leaved tomato and Solanum habrochaites")
![[Thumbnail for F2-noid-red-determinate-X-solanum-habrochaites.jpg]](/t/54641/a/51753/thumb-F2-noid-red-determinate-X-solanum-habrochaites.jpg "Filename: F2-noid-red-determinate-X-solanum-habrochaites.jpg
Description: grandchild of cross between a red determinate tomato and Solanum habrochaites")
![[Thumbnail for f2-hybrid-fern-x-solanum-habrochaites.jpg]](/t/54641/a/51752/f2-hybrid-fern-x-solanum-habrochaites.jpg "Filename: f2-hybrid-fern-x-solanum-habrochaites.jpg
Description: Grandchildren of cross between fern-leaved tomato and Solanum habrochaites")
![[Thumbnail for F2-noid-red-determinate-X-solanum-habrochaites.jpg]](/t/54641/a/51753/F2-noid-red-determinate-X-solanum-habrochaites.jpg "Filename: F2-noid-red-determinate-X-solanum-habrochaites.jpg
Description: grandchild of cross between a red determinate tomato and Solanum habrochaites")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52003/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Short exserted stigma - slow father")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52004/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Long exserted stigma fast father")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52005/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Habrochaites 1")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52006/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: habrochaites 2")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52007/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Dwarf Hirsutum Cross")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52003/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Short exserted stigma - slow father")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52004/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Long exserted stigma fast father")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52005/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Habrochaites 1")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52006/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: habrochaites 2")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52007/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Dwarf Hirsutum Cross")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52008/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Fast father resprout")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52009/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Slow father resprout")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52010/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Big younger resprout")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52011/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Probably a tiny pure peruvianum- which means I have two resprout peruvianums")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52012/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Individual that Survived 2 Frosts with top growth")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52008/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Fast father resprout")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52009/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Slow father resprout")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52010/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Big younger resprout")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52011/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Probably a tiny pure peruvianum- which means I have two resprout peruvianums")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52012/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Individual that Survived 2 Frosts with top growth")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52415/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: P!! Is my note taking here")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52416/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Blue Ambrosia plant 1")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52417/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Blue Ambrosia Plant 2")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52415/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: P!! Is my note taking here")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52416/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Blue Ambrosia plant 1")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52417/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Blue Ambrosia Plant 2")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52947/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Slow father purple fruit")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52948/thumb-image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: fast Father fruit with stripe")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52947/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: Slow father purple fruit")
![[Thumbnail for image.jpg]](/t/54641/a/52948/image.jpg "Filename: image.jpg
Description: fast Father fruit with stripe")
