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Maintaining Lizards, toads/frogs, snake population with chickens and cats

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R Ranson wrote:Okay guys, before we advocate killing cats and risk upsetting more people, I've asked our Mother Tree to have a look at this thread. We seem to have gotten away from the original topic which was...

ANy in general comments about the northern fence lizard and gardening? How about dealing with dense growth, snakes and 2 year olds?

Is there a way we can help the original poster with her problem without picking on felix?

Yes there is. Ive addressed lizards enough but here is a list of tricks:
- Have a mulched lawn, lizards love to shelter and lay eggs in it,
- always try and have soft soil as they lay eggs in it,
- have lots of debirs about for them to hide or raised walkways about the garden
- No need to build a lizard park, they are super resilient, generally.

Snakes and lizards like similar environments so you have challenges as you want to encourage one and deter the other? Therefore, keep your lizard shelters small. If you have snakes Id avoid raised walkways or anything large for snakes to hide under. No wood piles lifted slightly off the ground or up against walls.

If you’re concerned about snakes, you basically need to make the environment less suitable for them or ….kill them, your choice. Mind you, kill and don’t fix the environment, they’ll come back. To alter environment get rid of extensive thickets and get plants up off the ground. That area you fenced off might be the worst thing for you.

Snakes hide under any flat sheets on the ground. You have chickens, and snakes love chickens and eggs. Have nothing in chicken pen snakes can hide under, eg broken slabs of cement, but theyre coming for those eggs I guarantee you. I had a chicken pen and ended up lifting it up well off the ground and had barbed wire over everything that went vertical to stop them crawling up. It worked well.

Sometimes, snakes are just endemic and numerous and you won’t get rid of them. There are snake repellent in ground solar thumping devices if you want to repel them, theoretically. They make them in Australia where we have real snakes and people swear by them. Put them about lawned areas where your kid plays and you don’t want snakes, as snakes like to sun on a lawn.

If you’ve seen snakes, they aren’t going anywhere, and you have to address the fact if you don’t want them, otherwise do nothing and learn to love them – not my thang, but where I live snakes are so potent they will and do kill, and I don’t tolerate them. Many permies do, but I won’t. I had a tiger snake in my yard and I simply killed it and cleaned things up a bit. My yard had got way too feral. No snakes since, but hey werent comon to start with

Better still, have faith in your cat. Cats are good snake deterrents. If yours is too soft get a tough one. Mine was so good I’d put him up against anyone or anything. Less rats, less snakes, as snakes love rats as we know. I felt safe when he was around and had no rats in my roof. But the lizards are so resilient they will be fine, don’t worry about them Get rid of your snakes.
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Introducing the kitty ipod with speakers.

Cats who have a bell on their collar, quickly learn to tread softly until the rush of an ambush. A small radio that can't be easily disabled, would warn everyone with ears. Lizards, snakes and birds could flee, gardeners could fling a clay ball and granny could set out some cream for the visitor.

Everybody wins. The occasional daft animal may still fall victim, but many more will learn that the music means that a cat is approaching. It doesn't have to be music. Stalin's speaches or Gilbert Godfrey's melodic voice could play in a continuous loop. A whole new field of psychiatry for cats, may flourish as a result.
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Someone turn it off. Gilbert Godfrey haunts my dreams. Must kill something.
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haha. Nice one. The internet's number one purpose, cat pics.
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The Northern Fence Lizard generally makes its home in brush piles, rock piles or quite often in stacked wood piles.
The easiest and perhaps best method to give them homes is to mimic their preferred quarters (listed above).

Most predator animals give up once the lizard has made it to the safe haven.
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