Much like chemists being kidnapped by today's gangsters to make drugs, permies will get kidnapped by rich idiots to grow potatoes. Am kidding, kind of...
Justin Shropshire wrote:
Not to pick on any one military though, I merely meant to highlight an elephant. We need all of our brothers and sisters in the armed forces and they need us! How many drones are there now? How many new types? how many frikken lasers? or sound weapons? bug weapons? corn weapons? WTFK (who the fuck knows)
That bully is really big and keeps ALOT of us down. Even if you have never seen a m1a2 abrams tank, you know a couple of them could rip your whole world asunder, and that keeps us all squeaking along, with our heads down, glancing out of the corners of our eyes at each other, as if nothing is wrong. What are we going to say to them? What can we do about this?
Dc Brown wrote:Community working together to meet basic needs is key to a decent future. Holing up with guns is redneck BS.
How could adaptability be taught to kids, in schools or out? How can adaptability be taught to adults? Learning the hard way is a harsh way to learn, is there such thing as video games that teach how to think adaptable? Because I think that part of turning this culture to adaptable will start with a higher percentage of people being able to think this way.
Roberto pokachinni wrote:
The thing is, kids are naturally adaptable. Drop a little kid into a third world country, and he or she is speaking the language faster than any parent could. And it's not just language. It's only with our programming and schooling that children become non-adaptive. Kids are knowledge sponges and learn things naturally.
Roberto pokachinni wrote:
This can also be very difficult with adults. My mother, for instance, is a shop-a-holic, and has, for the most part, always had her poor spending habits supported both by the greater culture and my father. Giving her choices means that she buys stuff impulsively or basically does whatever she wants without thinking much about it. She's basically like a badly schooled spoiled brat in an adults body, and with a credit card and freedom... I just shake my head. I don't even know where to start, and at 70 years old, I doubt I'll be making any easy progress with her even if I put in a concerted effort. It was pretty obvious from a pretty early age that my mom bought all the bad sides of the consumer culture dream pretty fully, but there was nothing a kid could do about it, but go along with it, and enjoy the tragedy when it spilled over into my side of things. It wasn't like we were rich, or anything, but we weren't poor. If we had been, I'm sure she would have learned to adapt slightly to deal with that... but I have a feeling she would not have learned much more about it than she did having more cash at her disposal. I had to completely unlearn everything that she taught me as I became increasingly independent in my youth. But it was not completely apparent just how much her programming had affected me until I moved out on my own and was forced to assess my needs and my wants and balance my budget.
Roberto pokachinni wrote:
It was pretty obvious from a pretty early age that my mom bought all the bad sides of the consumer culture dream pretty fully, but there was nothing a kid could do about it, but go along with it, and enjoy the tragedy when it spilled over into my side of things. ....... But it was not completely apparent just how much her programming had affected me until I moved out on my own and was forced to assess my needs and my wants and balance my budget.
John Weiland wrote:
The depth to which everyone gets programmed is only poorly appreciated. Nutrition is not just about what you put into your mouth, but what you additionally put into your mind and soul....and the earlier in life this happens, the more difficult it is to root out. ... The ability to live comfortably in a lifestyle promoted by a Permies culture will be more difficult than realized for those coming from opposite, even if it seems intellectually like "the answer". Just, MHO, it will be more important to deal with these "programming that we don't realize" issues than making sure we've crossed the t's and dotted the i's on the construction of the bunker or bomb shelter.
Chris Kott wrote:
Adaptation, I think, needs to be concerned with how to avoid a collapse, how to make our communities more resilient in the face of any challenge, and how to move forward to create the world we want our children to live in.
I have yet to see a phase 5, but I would not be surprised if there was one. Maybe trying to relabel prepping is phase 5.
Ross Raven wrote:...Survival does not go to the fittest, The strongest or the biggest. Evolutionary Paleontology shows this over and over. The same can be said for the human history of empires. Like the Brontosaurus or T-Rex, this may run for a while but then it hits an evolutionary dead end when rapid change to the ecosystem comes. Instead, evolution and survival goes to the most adaptive. ...
Greta Thunberg wrote:Adults keep saying we owe it to the young people, to give them hope. But I don't want your hope. I don't want you to be hopeful. I want you to panic. I want you to feel the fear I feel every day. I want you to act. I want you to act as you would in a crisis. I want you to act as if the house is on fire, because it is.
I agree largely with this sentiment. Thanks Jim. I think that we should get back to basics on this.
So, maybe stop worrying so much. Life isn't a Hollywood movie. The world isn't going to end in some sort of C.I.G. apocalyspe. We're polluting the heck out of things. We can do better. We can clean it up. We should. We are. We just need some perspective. Some patience. The Will to do better. Life can be, and is, good. Clean up your space. Talk to your neighbors about theirs. Start a recycling center in your town. Do better.
Jim Fry wrote:I'm more than a little surprised that you consider "four months" to be a significant period of time to "dig deep". My experience is that becoming ~well versed in something/becoming knowledgeable about/becoming some sort of authority~ takes far longer than one season of work/study. As permaculturalists we should all know that. It takes seasons. Years. Decades to learn anything well. And then it takes enormous amounts of good luck to have enough sense to turn all that "study" into something useful and meaningful.
Jim Fry wrote:
You'll be surprized how one day you are listening to the Earth Day Apocalyspe when you are 20 in 1970 and the next day you're 69. Time moves along pretty quick. We'll all be ok.
We've gotta get close enough to that helmet to pull the choke on it's engine and flood his mind! Or, we could just read this tiny ad:
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