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What is PEP and PEX?

 
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I don't know whether this was deliberate or simply an ironic coincidence but PEP was a line of Kellog's cereal from like the 1930's whose marketing approach was, guess what, badges!

There are plenty of ebay listings for these things, which makes me wonder how bad the ancient maketoids would freak if they only knew people 75 years later would still be trading them, only via computer!
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=pep+cereal+badge


Anyway, back to topic, what else can I say, but, "Collect 'em all, kids!" :)

 
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Sure enough, here's a Vintage 1946 PEP Cereal Chester Gump Pin.  Now I guess we'll need to make some physical badges.  Thanks K!
 
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Mike Jay wrote: welcome to PEP/PEX!  Setting up your own PEX would be awesome and contribute greatly to permaculture taking over the world.

Since PEP is Permaculture Experience according to Paul, you could just call yours PEC if you want.



lol it seeems that mine is already done ! PEX !!!

One of the needs brought up by Paul is very valid: I would love to share my land and I have no children!

Until now, I kick off people each time quicker, like in a week, at the 1st thing they do that does not match my 1st security rule:
- Initiatives must be preceded by telling them and checking if they are appropriate, because of all the newcomer does not know about the place.
If a person does not follow what they have been told, thinking they know best, they are just ...dangerous.

Apart from knowledge, there are also some general behaviour rules that have nothing to do with the persons but the PLACE:
there is always one person who knows it best, even iff the person knows the job to do less.
Until the new person knows it GLOBALLY, it is impossible to have full initiatives, however many experiences you have in another place!

Some training about how to get used to a new place would be wonderful...
 
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I'm reading about pep and pex and badges. As a newcomer to this site, how can I find badges? and what ever pep and pex really are? I'm confused. Colleen
 
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Colleen Greig wrote:I'm reading about pep and pex and badges. As a newcomer to this site, how can I find badges? and what ever pep and pex really are? I'm confused. Colleen



Hi Colleen, welcome to permies!

This post explains what PEP and PEX are:

https://permies.com/p/794902

And this post lists all of the different aspects:

https://permies.com/wiki/96022/aspects-PEP
 
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In response to the Hummingbird Plants Badge Bit:

Mike Jay wrote: Is posting videos going to make this too hard to document? For some people it's easy but for others it could be a barrier. People like me for instance...



I think that posting videos would not be too big of a hurdle. I think that it might take a little practice posting a few other videos, but like my GIS professor has mentioned in class with some of his students that have more difficulty with using the software and technology in class, "All the computers and all the software are just tools." The analogy the professor went on to make was that when some people say "I'm not a computer person" it is like saying "I'm not a hammer person," And I think everyone is capable of learning how to use electronics and various programs, too. I think they're tools, like my professor does. I don't think anyone is born knowing how to use a hammer or bowsaw, and I think the same is true of electronics. I do not think youth are gifted for understanding electronics; I think it is exposure and useage. I think a little more time spent learning to use electronics and a little more regular exposure will make posting a video less of a barrier.
 
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I'll be interested in seeing other comments on this.  I was imagining it as a technical challenge for me (which I should be able to overcome) but it could also be a hardware challenge for others.
 
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The reason I made the Hummingbirds Plant Badge Bit have the requirements it does is because I had noticed both the three season nectar harvest and the humming bird plants have similar requirements in the Animal Care Badge page. Since three season nectar harvest page has been edited and blessed by Paul, I thought a reuse and modification of the three season requirements would be suitable for the hummingbird bird page.

Three Season on Animal Care wrote:  
- plant a three season nectar harvest for pollinators  
      - at least a dozen species
      - at least 200 seeds  



Three Season Badge Bit Page wrote:
To show you've completed this Badge Bit, you must:
- post a list of the 12 species of flowering plants you are planting and mention when they bloom
- post a picture that obviously has 200 or more seeds
- post a short video (less that two minutes - sped up) showing these 200 seeds being planted



Hummingbird on Animal Care wrote:    
- plant seeds for humming birds
      - at least 12 species
      - at least 200 seeds



Hummingbird Plants Badge Bit Page wrote:
To show you've completed this Badge Bit, you must:
- post a list of the 12 species of plants you are planting for hummingbirds and mention when they bloom
- post a picture that obviously has 200 or more seeds
- post a short video (less that two minutes - sped up) showing these 200 seeds being planted

 
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It is 2019.   Making a quick video is pretty easy.  And getting even easier with each passing year.  

For PEP to work, we need proof.   In this case, we need proof that the seeds were planted.   At the same time, we want the evaluator to be able to evaluate quickly.  So, if not a quick video, then what?
 
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Fair enough.  I was thinking that if you listed the plants and their bloom time and took a photo of the seeds, you could be trusted to have planted them.  
 
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Mike Jay wrote:Fair enough.  I was thinking that if you listed the plants and their bloom time and took a photo of the seeds, you could be trusted to have planted them.  



I think there is a lot of trust going around already.   But we need enough proof to increase the odds of "they probably did it".  

 
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I'm not sure if this question has been asked yet.  What about a situation where you've done a BB in the past, maybe multiple times.  Can you just take an "after" picture of the completed item and describe how you did the job to get credit?  

For instance, I've installed about 8 faucets in my lifetime.  I don't know when the next one will need to be replaced, maybe not for another decade.  I could take pics of the last four I did (in my current house and church).
 
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I've been wondering that, too, as I've got 400+ feet of clothes line, and don't think I really need to add more clotheslines...

I'm also wondering if there's certain BBs one can have assistance on, and other's one can't. When I was doing the roundwood woodworking badges, I was pretty sure I needed to do them all by myself. He mentioned with the hugel siege ladder, that one could have assistance in putting in the logs, but not the carving. And I saw Paul stating that one could have a workparty to complete the giant hugel and it would count. So which BBs can we have assistance with, and which ones not, and what percentage of the work needs to be done by us? I mean, when I sawed the wood for my stool, my kids came and "helped," but I figured that didn't count against me. But, if I'd had my husband do 50% of the sawing, that would probably not be okay, right? And, if multiple people work on a hugel together, do they all get credit for their BB, or just the person who organized the work party?
 
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Mike Jay wrote:I'm not sure if this question has been asked yet.  What about a situation where you've done a BB in the past, maybe multiple times.  Can you just take an "after" picture of the completed item and describe how you did the job to get credit?  

For instance, I've installed about 8 faucets in my lifetime.  I don't know when the next one will need to be replaced, maybe not for another decade.  I could take pics of the last four I did (in my current house and church).



I think that if you get the opportunity to install yet another faucet, you will be able to to do it four times faster than somebody that has never done it before.   This reminds me of Joel Salatin saying "make your own unfair advantages."  

Next, consider for a moment that somebody is contemplating this BB and they see there is an option to simply take a picture of 4 faucets, type out "I did that" and earn the BB.  But all they did was take four pictures.   How do you feel about the value of the BB then?


 
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Maybe each BB needs to talk about what is okay and not okay.   And then there is the LIC stuff.  ??
 
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Ok, figured I should ask because thousands of others may be thinking the same thing.  What's the LIC stuff?
 
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Mike Jay wrote:Ok, figured I should ask because thousands of others may be thinking the same thing.  What's the LIC stuff?



https://permies.com/t/lic

 
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A lot of the things I have read as PEP have that issue, we just moved house and changed two taps, we did the same in the last house, I don't expect to change them again. I could however go and uninstall them and then take pictures I assume that would count, I also assume that outdoor taps that are just screw in/out do not count.

As to videos that is something I cannot do. Because I have NOTHING to take a video with, I'm sure I could upload one but not having a device that will take it and not being about (or able) to spend money on something useless (to me) makes video impossible.
 
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This is why these items are on a list of items - for this particular thing, you do one thing on the list, not all of them.   Further, there is a chance that you will know of someone that could use a bit of help in the faucet department - and that would be your chance.  

Nearly all phones are capable of video these days.  You can even pick up a phone from amazon for $20 that can do video.

I suppose we could offer a class here for $3000 for two weeks and as part of the arrangement, you can get a device that can take video.

 
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This is a fascinating idea / topic and it’s got me all fired up. I run an “Urban Homesteading School “ in my small West coast Canadian town, and while I get lots of folks coming to workshops and learning things, many of them never do anything with the information. Some do, and it’s satisfying to hear about that. This kind of “merit badge” program might be a way to get people actually doing things outside of classes.
Oh boy, another project 😀
 
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Would refilling a berkey water filter count for putting collected water through a berkey filter? I would like to lean towards yes.

(I am intentionally double posting this to get attention to this question. This post may be deleted)
 
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