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Hi all, I am hoping to find people who are interested in permaculture in Pakistan. Anyone who has done a pic or not, anyone who has organically farmed or wants to farm. Would love to start a permanent community here. I have a few acres of land in central Punjab and would love to work with other people

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I know it's not that nearby but just has a similar name, but we are looking for people with natural building experience (or traditional building methods, like earth-walled or stone-and-mud home building) in the region of central Asia, specifically Kazakhstan. In your permaculture studies, do you know any good builders or teachers who are familiar with this climate?

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hi Mohsin,

Khurram here from lahore, Pakistan. my contact is +923008449161 & email is khurram.haroon@gmail.com. love to connect.

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Hi Erika,
Yes, we've been building solar heated earthen buildings in a similar climate to that, for about 20 years. What is the project?

We've got one Ladakhi expert who has been building, teaching, leading social change movements, and inventing for 20 years but is usually busy; or several of his protoges who now have their own earth building companies here in Ladakh. They are experienced with adobe, old-style rammed earth, modern rammed earth, and stone. One of the younger guys has done a lot of teaching youth and is good at it, especially teaching passive solar design and the principles of heat. (Just low key house heat, not fire -- we're learning that from you!).

Indians probably can't get visas to go to Pakistan, but Kazakhstan should be fine.

Works at a residential alternative high school in the Himalayas SECMOL.org . "Back home" is Cape Cod, E Coast USA.

Janet Kozak

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Hello!

I'm interested in connecting as well. My husband and I are planning to move to Chitral eventually and homestead - and teach workshops and whatnot to the locals as well. Hit me up on Facebook or LinkedIn and you can also message me via email: janet_kozak (at) yahoo.com.

Cheers,

Janet

Mohsin Javed

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Hi Janet are you a pdc teacher? Doesn't matter too much. Welcome to pakistan

Janet Kozak

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Thanks!

No, not a PDC teacher, don't even have my own "certification" yet, but it's on the list. Mostly want to bring earth-bag building techniques to the northern areas because they are safer and more cost-efficient than many of the current building methods. The devastation of the 2005 quake proved that (as most of the deaths were attributable to poor construction). Then as we work on teaching local and working together to build model structures and communities in that area we plan to introduce other permaculture techniques as well - the ones that are not being used already.

What is your plan for your land?

Mohsin Javed

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Thanks Janet. I am entirely new to permaculture or even farming. My background is in engineering but itis of little use to me. As for plans Iam making it up as I go along. Iam learning and making mistakes. my father owns and runs the farm and he's not totally into new ideas. I have put a multi species orchard in recently, but it is not integrated like a model permaculture homestead with zones and stuff. I hope to learn how to run chickens and ducks, build ponds, do a Fukuoka style grain farming and eliminate pesticides and synthetic fertilisers. Tall order. I am all alone here. I am surrounded by conventional farmers who shoot down my ideas and I can't reply since I have no farming experience and they do.I also Currently can't afford to take a pdc.

Janet Kozak

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I've been looking into it myself and even if we can't get certified we you can still learn! Here's a website that offers, as far as I can tell, free courses: https://www.openpermaculture.com/welcome-page

eventually you (and I) may also want to look into the business side of things, these counseling sessions look useful to make permaculture processes income generating: http://www.permaculturebusinessworld.com/

I admire your courage in standing apart from the pack, have to be patient with permaculture because it doesn't always have quick results - but they are much longer lasting!

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Hey maybe you should contact the group cal-earth ( https://calearth.org/ ) they teach permaculture and earth bag building. They have done at least one project in Pakistan if i'm remembering correctly.

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Janet Kozak

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Thanks Chris,

I've actually already contacted Cal-Earth and have also tried locating the graduates who helped with those projects in Pakistan way back - unfortunately, have not heard back yet from Cal-Earth and the project site for the re-building in Pakistan is down last I checked and can't seem to find the alumni who worked on it (though I spent an hour or so trying).

I will be doing some more research this next week to find other alumni who may be interested in coming here to teach a workshop - and also possibly posting in other forums to locate some instructors. I actually just had another opportunity come our way today of an offer of some land on which to build a model village and/or other structures and working models closer to us here in Karachi at the moment and won't even have to source the funds myself (BONUS!) - which is logistically easier for us at the moment as well - since we don't have our house built in Chitral yet.

Thanks for the suggestion we're totally on it!

~Janet

Waheed Khan

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Hey Guys,

This is Waheed here, I completed my PDC with Geoff Lawton. I am working on establishing a perambulate based homestead in Pakistan. I am looking for some place in north, where is cooler. I would love to hear form people from Pak interested in Permaculture. I can be reached on jagakhan (at) gmail.com.
I would love to hear from Mohsin what are his goals. Feel free to drop me an email.

Regards,

Waheed Khan

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Hello waheed, congrats on finishing a pdc. I haven't looked at this forum in some time and i am ashamed to say my position currently remains the same. Other than having a couple of acres of grapevines put in I haven't achieved much. But would like to hear more of your side of the story

Shireen Khan

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Hello, I am curious to know about the current state of permaculture in Pakistan. My husband is a Dutch agronomist who has lived in Pakistan and is interested in setting up a permaculture project there..

Sulayman Amin

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Hi, has anyone done any Permaculture projects in Pakistan?

Hashim Ahmad

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Hi all, I'm in Karachi just completed Geoff Lawtons PDC online course FDE pending. Anxious to meet and collaborate with like minded people. Have a 1200sq yrd plot near the beach, hawksbay Karachi with organic garden etc. Want to make it a Permaculture demonstration site also. Looking forward to hearing from you...

I'm a reverted Muslim since1971 degree in Quran and Hadith sciences from um Al Qura University Makkah AL Mukarramah. Have been living in Karachi since 1985,teaching, lecturing, training and business. I have recently completed PDC with Geoff Lawton online, FDE (final design exercise) pending. I have a 1200sq yrd plot at hawksbay Karachi where various trainings are conducted, organic garden, poultry, goats etc. Want to make it into a Permaculture demonstration site as well. Anxious to meet and begin collaboration with all like minded people. Lot of scope and work to do in Pakistan and globally!

Waheed Khan

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Hi Guys,
I am doing some work in Pakistan which you can follow on

And for my backyard garden in London

I would highly appreciate if you could subscribe to my channel and help me with your comments.

Hashim Ahmad

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Great Waleed! What trees etc are you planning on the swale?

Waheed Khan

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Im planing to plant fruit trees including figs, oranges, mangos, loquats, many more and moringa as nitrogen fixer.

Hashim Ahmad

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Sounds great

Huma Beg

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Salaams to all interested in Permaculture in Pakistan. I am very interested in being part of Permaculture enthusiast group. I am very keen to find people interested in Islamabad/ Murree. We can try some options if we find someone with PDC locally. Also if you would like to connect on a whats app group send your contact details to info@ministryofchange.org
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Mana Faro

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Hi all, has anyone set up a permaculture community of practice in Pakistan? I would love to be in touch if so. Thank you

Huma Beg

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HI Mana I think you are on our whats app group Pakpermies If not then join in. https://chat.whatsapp.com/HWUxeht5uKs7RPEjiz5sol
We are hoping to conduct a permaculture course this year. Please stay connected and we will be registering members so we can keep a track of progress of all who are keep to go Permaculture.

Razi Khan

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YES I JUST MOVED FROM WEST I WOULD LOVE THAT COMMUNITY AND FARM LAND.. I WANT TO JOIN ..
REGARDS
RAZI KHAN

Naureen Pervez

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Salam.im very much interested in organic farming and home steading . learning a lot from permaculture online courses ..but no practical experience. Except from a kitchen garden .and tree plantation project in local park.
I would like to be a part of this community in pakistan .

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Welcome Naureen, I'm sure you'll find Permies a great source of online information, and hopefully you can find some local community!

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Hashim Ahmad wrote:Hi all, I'm in Karachi just completed Geoff Lawtons PDC online course FDE pending. Anxious to meet and collaborate with like minded people. Have a 1200sq yrd plot near the beach, hawksbay Karachi with organic garden etc. Want to make it a Permaculture demonstration site also. Looking forward to hearing from you...

Hi Hashim, let me know how to connect.

Danielle Ali Shah

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Hi all. I am an Australian expat living in Islamabad, and am currently setting up my small farm near Fateh Jhang on permaculture principles. I did my PDC 25 years ago with Bill Mollison but need lots of refreshing! I tried to connect to the whatsapp group but the link mentioned above has expired. Can anyone help? Would love to hear from anyone out there who is interested to share ideas and maybe even come out to visit our farm (or perhaps I can visit yours?).
Ph 03078990984
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Aaim Vine

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Hi All,

I am in Lahore at the moment, My mamo is experimenting with permaculture here and there ar a few young fruit trees I am also interested in making a guild for.
I am just wondering what guilds Anyone has made for amrood, cheeko and citrus?
What are the common pests and what have you found which has helped to repeal these?
What do you tend to use for nitrogen fixation?

Also general question - most of the reading I have done / videos I have seen around water management seems to deal with slopes, what are you supposed to do on flat land?

Looking forward to hear from you.

Asim

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Hi Asim,
Welcome to Permies!

Well, thick natural mulch does a lot to conserve what water there is. There is a strong cultural preference for bare soil in this region (I mean North India, but I'm sure your side of Punjab has the same preference), but if you can manage to keep thick natural mulch you'll find it really conserves moisture in the soil and over a year or two it improves the soil amazingly. But you'll have to deal with neighbours and family disapproving, arguing, and even objecting to mulch with various superstitions about what they think it attracts.

Can you do rainwater collection from the roof of any buildings on the property? Some in a tank for convenient use, and the rest as ground water recharge. There's been a lot of work about ground water recharge in India, but I didn't pay much attention because I live north of the Himalayas where there's hardly any rain or snow.

But ugh! Have you been getting this horrible heat wave I've been hearing about, 45C already in April in the plains? Best of luck!

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Thanks Rebecca. Thanks, I should say I normally live in England and I'm well aware how much mulch can help. Water management is another issue in itself. The plot of land o have doesn't have a house but is bordered by two of my in-laws houses and I suggested rain water collection and grey water collection but both suggestions were ignored so I am easing people into permaculture thinking and companion planting is one of the easiest concepts to digest and most people have already heard off it.

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