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Nicole Alderman
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A property in our neighborhood is up for sale. It's $118,000 for five acres (which seems a lot, but is actually very reasonably priced for the Puget Sound). It's 15 minutes from two large town/small cities (Snohomish and Monroe), and thirty minutes from Everett. I'd love to have awesome people like you as neighbors. The property already has a driveway roughed-in, as well as area cleared out for a house. There's water and electricity piped down to the property, it just needs to be connected in the street. There was a well dug, but for some reason it supposedly didn't work out (all the properties around it have successful wells). The property is happily forested, and does not appear to be a wetland (I haven't walked it all, of course!). The land is also pretty flat and seems to get good sun exposure. You can also legally hunt deer here in season (and, there are deer here all year round, but not too many to devastate things).

I'd love to have some awesome people like you guys as my neighbors (there's actually also two other properties people would like to sell in there area, though they aren't listed, in case you have other friends and family you'd like nearby you!).

If you are interested, I can take more pictures for you. The ones on the redfin are just of the street and southern edge of the property. https://www.redfin.com/WA/Snohomish/7814-206th-Dr-SE-98290/home/56548618?

EDIT, July 23rd, 2016

The above property, though no longer on the market, is still for sale. I don't know the owner, so I don't know why it didn't sell, but I do know he still wants to sell it.

BUT, another property is up for grabs nearby (one of the "two other properties" I mentioned when I first posted this), as of two days ago: https://www.redfin.com/WA/Snohomish/7621-203rd-Ave-SE-98290/home/108420404. This one (if I recall correctly) used to (and perhaps still does) have a old cabin on it. I'm almost positive it has wellwater. Septic system permits and plans have already been approved, and it has a driveway. I believe power has been brought to the property, too. It's a gorgeous area there, too.





I do not know how much of the property is protected wetlands, or what direction the slope orients there. But, I can do legwork if you like and take pictures of native vegetation, etc, if anyone is interested.

I'd love to have permie neighbors!
 
Nicole Alderman
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I walked down today to the property to take some pictures of it, in case anyone was interested.
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View from street into the property, looking down the “driveway”. The property is at the end of a private drive.
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This is the roughed-in driveway. It's cleared out an level, but salmonberry is growing up in it. You won't lack for berries here!
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End of driveway and view of clearing where the well was dug. Supposedly the well is no good, which I find odd, as everyone else has perfectly good wells...
 
Nicole Alderman
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More pictures. If you want/need more pictures, I'd be happy to get them for you!
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The well.
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Looking south toward the street. There are lots of berries, big leaf maples for tapping, as well as western hemlocks and western red cedars, and alders for firewood.
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More view of driveway (looking south)
 
Nicole Alderman
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I'm having quite the time actually posting the pictures I want, with the captions I want--thus all the edits! Here's one more, looking from the clearing north to the back half of the property. If you want any specific pictures, or me to go deeper into the property, just ask!
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View North to the back half of the property
 
Roberta Wilkinson
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Not to derail your thread, but you mentioned, "Big leaf maples for tapping." Is that something you've done with any success? My understanding was that our WA winters are too mild for worthwhile sugar production, even in proper sugar maples, let alone bigleaf. I'd love to find out I'm misinformed and that we could be getting something out of our trees.
 
Alex Veidel
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$118,000 for 5 acres? Sounds like a deal to me. But I live in Illinois, so what do I know.....
 
Nicole Alderman
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Roberta Wilkinson wrote:Not to derail your thread, but you mentioned, "Big leaf maples for tapping." Is that something you've done with any success? My understanding was that our WA winters are too mild for worthwhile sugar production, even in proper sugar maples, let alone bigleaf. I'd love to find out I'm misinformed and that we could be getting something out of our trees.


We tapped them last winter (January-March, 2014) My husband gave me the supplies for my birthday, and we filled up quite a lot of 5 gallon jugs from two trees (each tpaped only once). Here's a thread mentioning it on permies: http://www.permies.com/t/33038/trees/Maple-syrup-time. Here's a study showing the production over the winter months: http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/rn181.pdf. The season here in the northwest is milder, but also longer, lasting from November through March. As long as the leaves are off the trees, and it freezes at night and gets about freezing during the day, the sap will flow. You get more flow on the more extreme temperature days. This year, we didn't get around to tapping it during the winter (We tried in February, but we had a non-winter, and by February the trees were already budding out leaves).

Here's a website showing how-to tap Big Leaf Maples: http://www3.telus.net/public/gback10/. The sap is yummy, and when you boil it down to syrup, it tastes more like rice syrup than maple syrup. There's actually people that sell the syrup and have a convention (I recall reading) for it up in British Columbia. Here's one company that sells it: http://www.westcoastwildfoods.com/collections/bc-maple-syrup.

So, yes, you can make maple syrup here!
 
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Awesome! Thanks so much for the resources. I guess we've got a new project.
 
Nicole Alderman
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Alex Veidel wrote:$118,000 for 5 acres? Sounds like a deal to me. But I live in Illinois, so what do I know.....


It's a great deal for here, too! Most properties at this price and acreage--if you can find them--are almost always a swamp, or a steep hill. I don't see any wetland indicators on this property, and it only has a very slight slope. It's also not too far from civilization (a.k.a. places where one can work and buy things) while being out of the way enough not to be eaten up by suburbia or a downtown in 50 year (it currently as a "housing development" across the street, but the development is 0.5-2 acre plots, and the portion of it by the property is acres of protected wetland and park trails...and te development is accessed by an entirely different road.)
 
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Roberta Wilkinson wrote:Awesome! Thanks so much for the resources. I guess we've got a new project.

You're welcome! Enjoy the syrup and sap next year .
 
Nicole Alderman
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Just posting an update to say that the property is still for sale. You know you want to be my neighbor! My other neighbors are also pretty awesome: one cuts and processes timber, another has mules to hunt with, another has wind and solar energy, yet another has chickens, and many have gardens. It's a property at the end of a dead-end private street (which is very well-maintained--frequently trimmed and re-graveled). It's quiet out here; you can legally hunt on the land; it's 15 minutes from two small cities/large towns; the bigger metropolises (and their pollution and crime) are farther away (30 minutes to Trader Joes and 45 minutes to Whole Foods).

Won't you be my neighbor?
 
Erik Bellar
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We (My wife and I) will be in your neighborhood from the 13th to the 18th of August and would love to see the place. We will be moving to the Seattle area next summer but would like to find a place to call home before we make the leap. We are both in our early 60's and in fairly good shape considering... and I don't think we would have any problem financing it. Let me know if that window of time is available and we can meet up and talk about the possibilities. Thank you in advance.
 
Nicole Alderman
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Hi Erik! I'm sorry to say that we do not own the property. A fellow who lives a few cities away owns it, and has for many years (I believe as an investment property). Another one of my neighbors knows the man, but I have never met him (we've only lived here three years). I would be glad to meet you and your wife while you are here and show you the neighborhood, though, if you'd like!
 
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Thank you, Nicole for your kind and generous offer to show us around the neighborhood. Our Real Estate Agent will contact the owner of the property and see if we can schedule a date and time to view the property. I will let you know when that is so we can meet up before or after that, if possible. The pictures you took look lovely and your description of the neighbors sounds like a nice fit for us. We are more like the characters on the old TV sitcom, Green Acres. I'm the Urban backyard gardener and the Mrs. is a bit of a city slicker. We get along great, just different views on the way we look at things. She would prefer a place complete with a living structure already on it, I would prefer to build what I want from scratch. I see her point and she sees mine. Bottom line though, is it could make a wonderful site for a food forest retreat for our children and future generations. I plan on taking geoff lawton's Online Peramculture course soon to get bonafide credentials. Let the new adventure begin!
 
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I just realized that it was already the 16th! Were you guys still planning on checking the place out? I'm home all day this week, just inside from about 2:00-4:30pm for my son's nap. I hope to get to meet you!
 
Erik Bellar
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Hi Nichole, That week went by way too quickly. We were in your neighborhood our friends said it was not a good idea to share a private road and not have a working well on the property. We looked at other properties but after a while I realized that getting a source of income (a local job) was the first priority. I visited an educational ecology center in Woodinville (21 acres) http://www.21acres.org/ and they were very nice and welcoming. After some friendly chatting I surmised that I needed to get some formal certification / training to be a viable contributor to permaculture. I am going to sign up for Geoff Lawton's On line permaculture course when it becomes available early next year and then go from there either as a consultant or as an employee.
Thank you so much for your kind offer to meet up with me last week. Hopefully we will meet sometime in the near future. All my best to you.
 
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Update, July 22nd, 2016

The above property, though no longer on the market, is still for sale. I don't know the owner, so I don't know why it didn't sell, but I do know he still wants to sell it.

BUT, another property is up for grabs nearby (one of the "two other properties" I mentioned when I first posted this), as of two days ago: https://www.redfin.com/WA/Snohomish/7621-203rd-Ave-SE-98290/home/108420404. This one (if I recall correctly) used to (and perhaps still does) have a old cabin on it. I'm almost positive it has wellwater. Septic system permits and plans have already been approved, and it has a driveway. I believe power has been brought to the property, too. It's a gorgeous area there, too.





I do not know how much of the property is protected wetlands, or what direction the slope orients there. But, I can do legwork if you like and take pictures of native vegetation, etc, if anyone is interested. Pretty much, if you have questions about anything: the neighborhood, the direct next-door neighbors, how the private drive is maintained, or anything else, I can totally give you answers!

I'd love to have permie neighbors!
 
Nicole Alderman
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Well, I did a little bit more digging, and found out some more information on the new property up for sale. It’s at 550ft elevation. Mostly level ground, with that is slightly north-east sloped. (I attached the aerial photo with elevation lines). You'll likely notice that the level area is at the same level as the stream...which usually doesn't bode well for wetland status.

So, I looked up the wetland preservation/Critical Area map of the property. Um, almost all of the property is protected wetland  ! That means that, unless you really like hunting deer (which we have, and we can legally hunt here in season) and wildcrafting and want to live away from the city in a relatively crime free area, this property may not be for you. I'd still love to have you as my neighbor, of course, but I'm not going to lie about the property, either. I'm thinking most permaculture people don't want 90% of their property to be zone 4/5... I attached the print screen of the Protected Wetland Map.
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Critical Area/Protected Wetland Map
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Contour Map of Property
 
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this is the kind of thing my husband and i are looking for to start.....but im worried if we will ever be approved for a mortgage..we must get out of our apartment which we cant afford any more ( rent was raised once already, one more time which will happen if we renew fro another year......) so we must get our own place or we will be living in a van beside the road........ we have dreamed of starting a permaculture farm for so long.....we would love to be neighbors....sigh
 
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