I just dropped the price of
the permaculture playing cards
for a wee bit.

 

 

uses include:
- infecting brains with permaculture
- convincing folks that you are not crazy
- gift giving obligations
- stocking stuffer
- gambling distraction
- an hour or two of reading
- find the needle
- find the 26 hidden names

clickity-click-click

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HELP ! Actually I don't care if this is Actually a Joule Thief of not - Though it certainly is a fantastic job of miniaturization, AND at an unbelievable price
if that is what this is ! Basically this opens up lots of new areas especially if it can be used with rechargeables !

http://www.batteriser.com

Or google batteriser to see who has reviewed this !

The inventor claims to have patents to keep battery companies from just adding this feature onto their products !

God I hope this is not just 'vapor ware '!

Thanks to anyone who simple comments or bumps this thread ! Big AL
 
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Just read the PC mag article about these. Looks like valid technology, however, their intended use is to extend the life of throw away batteries. They do this by boosting the voltage and draining the batteries more fully. The life of rechargeable batteries can be significantly reduced by discharging them too far. The article mentioned that the product can boost the voltage of rechargeable AA batteries, but they don't provide information about how this affects battery life.

The voltage boosting technology has been around for a while, what makes this product novel is its size.

My take: cool product. Rechargeable batteries are still more environmentally friendly. Voltage boosting technology makes sense with renewable energy as long as the allowed discharge is coordinated with what the batteries can regularly handle.
 
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From their site:
How it works. Most new batteries contain 1.5V of energy when first bought. The problem is that many devices stop functioning at around the 1.3V mark. Batteriser uses micro-circuitry that let's you instantly tap into the 80% energy that is usually thrown away.


Most recahagable AA batteries only produce 1.2 V, so their claims that devices don't work below the 1.3 V mark is hogwash in most cases.

For more, here is an interesting page that gives a great explanation about the voltages.

Looking at their patent application, it appears that their doohickey actually cuts the amount of time the voltage stays above 1.2 V by about 30%.


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John W. ; It has been my understanding that the rechargeable people took a look at how the voltage was actually figured and decided that the true voltage output
should be rated at 1.2 rather than the more generous 1.5 -

Kinda like the way Horsepower was degraded decades later, and octane was refigured ! Or Have I been misinformed ?

This will definitely have a niche market, I too question if trying to use this with most rechargeable will be a desirable thing ! For the Crafts! Big AL

 
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I don't believe the rechargeable batteries have as large of an initial "blip" where they are in in the 1.3 to 1.5 Volt range. Instead they have a more level power output.

http://drchemical.com.au/category/chemistry-and-electricity

Either way, the point is that the batterizer will only cause your batteries to last 8 times longer if your electronics only function when the output power of the battery is above 1.3 volts. Since most electrical engineers aren't complete fools, you will find that most everything is designed to work with the actual voltage profiles of the batteries and not what is printed on the side of the battery. Since rechargeable batteries don't have the initial blip above 1.3 V, you can test if your product/device was designed by a competent engineer by seeing if it works with rechargeable batteries.
 
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- Worse than vaporware, much less Science than the `Solar Highway ' This is being called a scam and a rip-off


http://hackaday.com/2015/06/06/crowdfunding-follies-debunking-the-batteriser/

Sorry This was never a "Joule Thief " Which is a valuable tool for battery conditioning Where appropriate !

It was interesting how many people who pretend to watch-dog status who were taken in !

For the Good of the Craft ! Big AL
 
I found a beautiful pie. And a tiny ad:
Permaculture Playing Cards by Paul Wheaton and Alexander Ojeda
https://permies.com/wiki/57503/digital-market/digital-market/Permaculture-Playing-Cards-Paul-Wheaton
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