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Socrates Raramuri
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I'm new here but i searched "hunting" and i searched "weapons" but found no results. So forgive me if my post is misplaced and i'd appreciate a link to an appropriate thread.

Permaculture, sustainability, i don't see how hunting does not fit in with this. I'd like to keep rabbits but if you have a farm, isn't that often redundant? Why keep them when rabbits surround your lush oasis anyway? So, hunting rabbits...

I ran into this cool new contraption: the Pocket Shot Slingshot

Shoots at twice the speed of a slingshot but fits into your pocket and looks like a toy. Costs $ 25
I (unfortunately still) live in an apartment and cannot keep rabbits. At least not humanely. I certainly have neither time nor funds to feed them properly. But there are dunes nearby where one finds hundreds hopping around in the early hours. Now if i walked around with anything larger than the Pocket Shot Slingshot i'd probably get arrested. Yeah, i'd get arrested if someone caught me shooting a rabbit, too, but avoiding that is about being careful.
This device could also be used as a humane way of dispatching a rabbit you wish to slaughter.
Sustainable: check
Healthy: check
Humane: check

Where's a thread on hunting or why isn't anyone talking about it?


P.S.: i ate vegetarian for 15 years, of which 2 years as a vegan. I'd like to get back to that but there's my current limitations of lifestyle and there's also the considerations i have concerning survival situations.
 
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We have a wilderness section with a hunting and fishing subforum.

I've moved this thread there for you. Enjoy!
 
Socrates Raramuri
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ha! I was going down the list of form topics and stopped at COMMUNITY, thinking i wouldn't find was i was looking for after that. Only now do i see how doggarn many forum topics there are. LOL
To be fair, i'm not talking about 'wilderness'... but thanks for the link and the proper placement of my post.
 
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Socrates Raramuri wrote: Only now do i see how doggarn many forum topics there are. LOL


Hehe - there are rather a lot!

There's a lot of overlap between them, too, and often a thread belongs in more than one forum. The moderators can make a thread show up in any relevant forum - for instance I've just added this one to 'gear' in the homestead section. If you're not sure where a thread belongs, just put it in the most appropriate one, then hit the 'report' button and tell us which others you think it might belong to.
 
Michael Cox
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In general trapping is more reliable and more efficient for harvesting small game like rabbits, certainly up until you start using rifles and scopes. You can use simple snares, but when harvesting from your own land something like a drop trap is probably the best. In ten minutes you can walk and set a dozen traps on a fence line and harvest say 50 rabbits from them depending on population. Hunting you could go out for two hours and not get any.

Trapping is more time and energy efficient, freeing you up for other tasks. In a survival situation this might be more foraging, securing shelter etc...

If you are culling rabbits to protect your crops drop traps are again better - they work even when rabbit populations get low, where as hunting gets harder as you thin the population.
 
Jennifer Richardson
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I second the idea of trapping rather than hunting small game. The main problem I've seen with trapping is that it's so efficient it can severely deplete populations with relative ease if people are not conscientious (for instance, I haven't seen a mink here in nearly two decades--used to be plentiful).

As for snares...maybe I am just the world's least skillful snarer (is that a word?), but out of the probably several hundred hours of time I spent as a kid making and setting snares I caught exactly...nothing. I can more easily throw myself physically on top of a rabbit or squirrel and get it with my bare hands than I can catch it with a snare (although, admittedly, snaring is probably less likely to result in some sort of horrible zoonotic disease). Obviously not everyone is as terrible at it as me, or snaring wouldn't be a thing, but I definitely prefer trapping or even hunting to snaring.
 
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A strategy that I use at my place is to provide shelter, and nesting sites, and food to all kinds of wild animals: birds, lizards, snakes, squirrels, coyotes, deer, insects, etc... I'm not currently eating many of them, but they are there if I ever change my mind...
 
David Becker
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Hey man,

I think I'd have some concerns about making a quick, clean kill on a rabbit with that gadget, unless you made anything other than a perfect headshot. The manufacturer says it gets "up to" 350 FPS velocity, without providing the weight of the projectile. They're selling, and recommending, 1/4" and 5/16" steel balls.

A 1/4" steel ball will weigh about 16 grains so at 350 FPS that gives you 4 Ft/Lbs of energy.

As a reference, my bow, with a 175 grain steel blunt on the end of the arrow is bringing about 41 Ft/lbs. A .22 Long Rifle shooting a 40 grain bullet @ 1235 FPS gives you 135 Ft/Lbs.

You'll find plenty of cultures, both past and present where people hucked stones at rabbits in the hopes of stunning them long enough to pounce on them and bash their heads in. I have zero problems with doing that as a matter of survival, but when I'm hunting voluntarily, I have a strong desire for it to be lights out for the bunny before it ever knew what hit it.

Food for thought.

 
Socrates Raramuri
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In a perfect world... Unfortunately we are forced to talk about such things in light of legalities and walking around with a rifle is not legal where i'm at. I will be needing to look into the matter in Morocco. Hopefully i can just go out and do what i like. God knows that country isn't all stuck up with rules (yet) like over here.

Yeah, my interest is mainly in survival issues. Tomahawk without a handle is good because it fits into a backpack better and the same goes for the Pocket Shot. Similarly, one might carry this Pocket Shot with one all the time, for the rare occasion of needing to hunt or just shoot at something (like to scare it away). What shooting contraption can claim as much? It's so light and small, you hardly know you have it with you.
 
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I'd hate to stick around while someone was lobbing ball bearings at me containing 4 Ft-Lbs of energy.

And what a great device for discretely lobbing seed-balls into vacant lots.
 
Michael Bushman
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And with the pocket slingshot, if they ask you what it is you can just tell them it is a reusable condom...
 
Ken W Wilson
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The MO department of Conservation has some great box trap plans. The one with the door that drops straight down is almost identical to the way my grandfather taught me to make them when I was ten. He had a better trigger design though.
 
Steve Oh
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I'm sorry, but this device is unethical and inhumane (you'll injure far more animals than you will harvest), unsustainable (it's made of plastic and rubber), and impractical. I am pretty good with a slingshot, but I would never consider hunting with one. I am also a hunter with 30 years of experience. To kill a rabbit, with a slingshot, you have a 1" target, the brain. Any other shot will hurt the animal, possible injure it severely, but you won't kill it...at least not immediately. Although you may cause it severe pain and distress. Torture is not hunting.

Show me a video where you can consistently hit a 1" target at typical hunting distances, and I'll consider your suggestion as credible.
Until I see that, I will state, without reservation, that this thing is a toy, not a hunting tool.

For the price of this toy, there are humane traps available. Traps that would be far more effective and efficient.
 
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