Dave Dahlsrud wrote: I also like his dead simple propagation method for his shrub layer (ribes mostly). Just cut the branch off in the fall and stab it into the ground.
Tyler Ludens wrote:Personally I would put a little tiny orchard in Zone 1 or 2 so the larger orchard could be planned sufficiently to work in the over-all design of the land. Remember to build the design in this order 1. Water (rain harvesting earthworks) 2. Access (roads, paths) 3. Structures (buildings, gardens). A 3 acre orchard is such an investment, I'd want to make sure I had planned it into the larger permaculture design.
Kevin Goheen wrote:He is an ingenious man and I still learn from his movie. I am still growing into permaculture myself, but I do advise growing tings at first that are forgiving if you do get a little overwhelmed at first. Good choices are pears, autumn olives, cold hardy figs, maypop passionfruit, grapes, blueberries, rose of sharon, daylillies, and such. Apples are great but they can be really picky and highly attacked by pests and disease. Two cultivars I will be trying of apple for their resistance are Liberty and Goldrush. William's Pride is said to be very tough also. I listed pears first because European pears are incredibly tough. There is an old pear tree on a road nearby that has been abandoned for I'd guess 20 years and it always produces a bumper crop of sweet pears. Hope that helps.
Bart Wallace wrote:I started my permaculture plot in my mid 20's. I am now 32 or will be in 3 weeks. I screwed up with apples and will have to replant. My Figs, Pomegranates, blueberries, Bell of Georgia Peach, and Pears are doing really well. I got 6 or 7 blackberries going and hope to have my first crop of mulberries this year. I am really looking forward this year. If something does not work don't worry about it but if you don't want to waste time and money plant easy stuff first. I am also adding some grapes this year in my expansion and am looking at adding some nut trees also.
John Saltveit wrote:You are probably going to learn an amazing amount in the next 5 years. Growing some trees in that time will help you learn more. If you have a tree, you can practice pruning. Without a tree, pruning is theoretical. Some trees will need to grow up to produce. You will probably need to learn to graft. Some varieties will not do as well as you thought, and you will probably want to graft them out, and you will read about new fruits you want to grow. Don't worry about making it just right from the start. You will almost surely evolve your thinking about how you want your orchard to be. You will also learn tons of techniques from this site that will continue to improve your success. Don't worry about perfecting all of them from the start, but look for a steady growth when you're ready to take on another challenge.
Bryant RedHawk wrote:hau Alicia, welcome.
May I suggest that you first address any water control issues, that way you can save a lot of that rain and prevent any washing out or flooding.
It also makes it a lot easier to define spaces and decisions of what should go where become a lot easier to make too.
Unless you plan to use fruit trees for commercial harvesting the usual Orchard style planting might not be your best method.
Determining this takes some observation time in the space you are going to develop, along with the planning you mentioned.
What we have done on our farm is to use "random set, standard spacing" which is a fancy way of saying we planted multiple species of fruit trees, mixed together but spaced so they all can grow true to their nature.
In our zone 1 & 2 (right around the house and "yard") we currently have; 2 species of apple, 2 species of pear, 2 of 1 species of plum, 2 species of fig (2 trees of one species and one of another currently), 2 mulberry along with grape vines and muscadine vines.
The spaces between these trees is being turned into raised vegetable gardens, these beds are placed in the center of the spaces between trees and kept to a 2 foot width, some are true raised beds (at ground level) and some are raised to waist height as double stacked table beds.
We have plans to fill this 2/3 acre "yard" area with more of the currently planted species and to add more stone fruits as well to bring the total area into a fruit forest type setup.
Some of the fruit trees are near the other variety of their species and some are spread apart with other species between. This is to encourage the bees to find all the flowers as well as ensure cross pollination for larger crops of fruits.
We have not even started the true commercial orchard yet which will be fairly distant from the "yard".
I still have to do the earth works on that 5 acres and it will most likely be another two or three years before I get to that project.
Good luck with your adventure, we love our new farm and building it to provide our food and enough for sale to chefs and other markets.
paul wheaton wrote:the full movie
paul wheaton wrote:the full movie
Nice! Love that the full movie was shared!
paul wheaton wrote:The best part is at 0:36