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Hi,
advice please!! It's been a month. Drs. have me on ant-acids. I have fluctuations of several days good, several days miserable. I am inclined to blame H. Pylori, but I will get tested in about a week for sure. Still, I hear so many results on the treatment of this thing online saying it totally sterilizes your gut and also doesn't necessarily kill it the first time, leaving you miserable for YEARS. I'm a self-trained herbalist and medical researcher (because I'm a scientist by nature), so I've done some research and am trying to find just the right thing to beat this and NEVER have it come back. I don't know why my family is prone, but I guess we are, and I usually try to eat pretty darn healthy. So this is all very disappointing.

What I saw is that one study on rodents said high protein or high fat and protein diets are good against H. Pylori. My father said steak and soup broth is his stomach saviors, but he has been known to have really poor digestive flora. The diets re: H. Pylori online seem to be all a little made up by people who haven't had it. They say to eat a bunch of things I would be in horrible pain with and then not to eat herbs and spices, though we all know those are anti-microbial and possibly a good defense. Supposedly they want you to eat healthy and anti-inflammatory since H. Pylori can cause lots of inflammation. BUT, since I am totally unsatisfied with any of these articles and even can prove through a simple I-tried-it test that they don't work for me,  I want some advice on a diet I'd like to try that I made up myself.

1. So, as a good holistic practitioner I'm interested in eating healthy, but weakening H. Pylori as much as possible. H. Pylori feeds on urea produced to digest protein (mainly), and builds a protective shell with it. Since protein also uses urea, perhaps THATs the reason my dad and the lab rodents had positive results. IF eating protein takes strength from H. Pylori, that's step 1. However, not nearly enough.

2. Acids are a big no-no if you have ulcers and other sores from acids. In fact, I read that H. Pylori loves these injuries, keeping them from healing. Thus, fruit I think won't help, except in small dense tinctures for nutrient dense blast, but no juice, no big yummy apples, etc. Starches are also supposed to convert to sugars and then to acids, so these also are a no go. But, leafy greens and spices- oh spices- these can provide a big dense blast of nutrients and anti-microbial properties to further weaken H. Pylori while strengthening your body. Some herbs (such as chamomile) are known anti-inflamitory too and super-wound healing properties (calendula) so throwing these things in might also help. Some mushrooms also have these properties too.

3. HOWEVER, all this diet change and blasts of spices might kill off the good life in your belly. Therefore, I think the right thing to do about a half-hour after a meal (or whenever the meal has passed the stomach) of protein and high spices is something FULL of probiotics. Not just a single probiotic on  shelf, but the live stuff with as many species as possible. Then, H. Pylori will have some competition rather than ruling your gutt.

What do you all think? I'm not getting off ant-acids because they have helped heal things a bit and I lost WAY too much weight trying not to take them. That's the other thing- I can't afford to loose much more weight, otherwise I might suggest for myself more of a starvation diet of maybe 2 large meals per day versus continuous chicken soup broth+steak interspersed with sauerkraut.

I'm sure I'll "cheat" and throw in a carrot or something, but the quantity should be small enough to not make much of a difference to my acid levels. Also, if I didn't have injuries in my gut already, I think I would actually go for blue-berries and meat or something else acidic with the meat to catch H. Pylori with minimum urea.

Anyway, I'm no doctor and I don't expect any of you to be either, but I would like your intelligent thoughts.

Thank you!!



 
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I was diagnosed with H. Pylori after a stomach biopsy for various unpleasantries. I did the antibiotic combo and let me tell you I was ecstatic. Getting rid of the symptoms (pain and more) was one of the best things I can remember.

Since the antibiotics do clear out the gut flora, I immediately began to eat a variety of yogurts etc. No long-term problems popped up, but that's just me.

I guess I can't help you with herbs, but if you end up taking the chemical route, it may still turn out okay.
 
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Thanks Chip! The doctor wanted to get me tested, but it will take another week and then after the endoscopy and lab analysis they will figure out if that's it. Because 3 other family members have had this sort of thing, I'm pretty sure that's it, but I have a week to be hanging out without treatment (atleast) and already lost 11 lbs in a month, so I want to try starting the fight now so that I can start gaining or at least stop loosing weight.

I also was researching how urea gets into the gut. Made at the liver from ammonium/NH4 & NH3.
 
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Thank you Matt!
Now that I think about it, things such as heavily spiced protein seems common throughout the world. Perhaps this is because it preserves the protein, but in fresh and fermented proteins wouldn't need to also be spiced, so perhaps its also an immune thing. I'll see if I can't find some black cumin and give it a go.
 
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I read online a large number of things related to treatment naturally, without antibiotics. I couldn't find any solid studies, though lots o claims. I did find anecdotal evidence (what worked for 1, maybe 2 people), though the longer I have to deal with this, the more I will find.

The general procedure is usually no gluten or sugars. Often times no soy. Dense nutrient fruits and proteins. Anti-inflamitory stuff as much as possible, anti-microbial, and probiotics as much as possible. Usually there's a specific order, like don't delute your anti-microbial with a full belly. Follow the anti-microbial by like 30 minutes or so with a probiotic.

So, what this little bacterial parasite does (don't bother telling me it's got some good stuff going for it- a stuffy nose caused by the flu won't let you smell a fart, but that doesn't mean we should all keep a flu virus handy) seems to be (my lay-man's opinion) to raise your acids so you burn holes in yourself for it to live. Lower your appetite to keep your immune system suppressed. It also seems to adjust other things in your body to make you work for it. As creepy as this sounds, people with it showing mild other symptoms report having panic attacks and such, which are abnormal for them. I have had several. The weaker you are, the easier you are to control, so a smattering of good and bad days is perfect to keep you alive, pretty functional, but host to this. It's not the only parasite out there that does this brain game, but with an estimated 50% of the world population affected, including 1st world countries-it's good at it's game.  I assume this sucker must be old, because acidic stomachs have been around for a while and it does its job so well, but I could be wrong. After all, where is it's foil? In nature something is usually there to balance species out, and as far as I know this guy flies solo. It also seems pretty adaptive, surviving a treatment involving an acid blocker and 2 anibiotics, which really wipes out gut flora (causing similar symptoms, infection free). This might be because no one knew it existed while antibiotics were first being used, so it had plenty of time to adapt. Perhaps some how in this situation we killed its foil.

IF you some how get rid of it, I would think somehow there's a good chance you'll be exposed to it again and the problem can build up again, though many people who have gone through triple therapy, rebuilt there gut flora, do not report regular repeats. So, that's good. Some seem to have it in some way eternally though.

People who are otherwise healthy and seem to have a particular love for health (maybe because they tend to be more prone to being unhealthy?) will suddenly get this monster and deteriorate. HOW? I know for me I had a mild stomache flu and was drinking RO water while nursing myself back to health. One study shows demineralized waters can thin the stomach mucus membrane where H. pylori likes to nest. The last time I had something like this that magically went away and no one know what or why I had a cold, was prescribed arithromiacin antibiotics, turned green, stopped taking them 1/2 way and then felt miserable and lost my appetite for like 4 months. After being on a juice diet for a while and taking muscle relaxors it seemed to go away. Again, no one knows why it came, what it was, and why i left, but I see a similarity in events.

So, perhaps it can only latch on to a healthy body if certain conditions exist, which makes sense as to why it seems to put so much effort into weakening a person rather than coexisting peacefully like the millions of other happy healthy gutt flora. Therefore, I think it's important, if fighting this, to work as hard as you can to maintain health. I know it's hard. Acid reducers helped me be able to eat and I can eat protein, which seems to be a concensus amongst websites. Sometimes even (though I'm usually not the type) buy protein packs and other weight gaining thing. For me, avoiding citrus and citric acid is important. Raw honey I see as also a real important food. 60 calories/table spoon + lots of other good things. Especially that Manuka Honey, which is made from tea tree pollen. Then, with all the acid changes and stuff, your gut flora (like it or not) is probably impacted. If it's real healthy, it will probably compensate a lot for you and so the end-of-the-line will be fine, but the beginning of the line will be in deep doodoo. So, re-build that so your body has the best fighting chance. Probiotics, fermented food, etc.

Then there's the active killing. As stated in the original post, there's LOTS of herbs used by LOTS of cultures that are anti-microbial. The thing living in your belly means it will get first blast of anything you throw at it (though it will also try to hide in openings in the mucus membrane). To name a few (though I don't know the exact properties): cayenne, garlic, italian seasonings, coconut water (not a spice, but whatever) tumeric, manuka honey, ginger, black cumin. Because H. Pylori is so friggin' hardy, it seems this needs to be done for a long time to fully eradicate the pest, so like a 2 month diet of this. It may seem extreme, unless you have it and the idea of eating anything sounds amazing.

Again, I'm on acid blockers. They do have risks: nutrient absorbtion, prone to low-acid infections, mess with gutt flora, but since H.Pylori loves when you burn a hole in your stomache by producing too much acid, I'm okay with them atm. Looking forward to not needing them though.

If anyone has anything to add, please do. I will find out soon more about what I have, but hopefully my research will help others in a similar situation. Thank you.



 
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One last thing: there are binaural beat videos that are supposed to help heal the gutt and even kill H. Pylori. As far fetched as this may seem, I figure it can't hurt (as long as it doesn't hurt your ears) and at a minimum can help calm a person and focus them on healing.

One more last thing: There seems to be something about H. Pylori and swelling. Thus, a lot of diets focus on things that reduce swelling (anti-inflamatory).
 
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Hi Amit!
First off, please get yourself on an alkaline diet. Even without ANY pharmaceuticals, this will greatly reduce the level of H Pylori infection in your gut. If you are not familiar with the importance of maintaining an alkaline body, the graphic I added to this post might help you make food choices and there are many websites out there that discuss it in great detail. Traditional Western MD’s may or may not agree with this mindset, but in the alternative world, it’s a given that acid based bodies are not healthy and alkaline based bodies are.

From http://www.mindbodygreen.com
“Some health experts believe that our pH balance is extremely important, others say it is essential, there are a few who clearly state that it is a matter of life and death. The only people who don't emphasize the alkaline/acidity balance as central to health are quacks that peddle a pharmaceutical pill for every ill, a drug for every bug.”

Here’s a good overview:
http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-3400/What-You-Need-to-Know-About-pH.html
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Above, Matt linked to an article about an herb called Nigella Sativa. It’s an excellent choice for anyone needing an immune system boost, or anyone fighting any type of infection. It can be brewed as a mild tea and you may feel results quickly. This can be found in most health food stores or online. I also like the oil and have used it personally from this source. Only buy organic and make sure that it is “nigella” sativa and not another sativa. Other types have other uses, but for your immune system the nigella sativa is the one you want. Also don’t be fooled by something just packaged as ‘cumin seed’, as that can be any of a variety of sativa species. It’s not very expensive.
https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/products/cumin-seed-oil/profile

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I’d also suggest daily intake of turmeric, another spice. It’s an amazing anti-inflammatory and will help settle your agitated gastrointestinal system so that it is more likely to heal. This is inexpensive (about $5 for a half pound) at the Indian grocery.  Integrate it into the bulk of your meals.

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Get on a good probiotic. Here’s a link of the best ranked probiotics from an independent lab study. These vary wildly in price, so check the value of anything you decide on.
https://labdoor.com/rankings/probiotics

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Organic Apple Cider Vinegar EVERY DAY. You might think it is an ‘acid’ and will be bad for you…but it is NOT. Dilute a teaspoon in water three times a day to start and then add more as you feel fit. Organic Apple Cider Vinegar is actually alkalizing in your body and will help heal your stomach (and whatever else ails you). Bragg’s is probably the most famous brand and can be found in any health food store and most grocery stores.

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Bentonite or Montmorillonite Clay preparations can also help heal and detoxify your gut. There is no taste, and it’s just a teaspoon mixed in water. This acts as an adsorbent (NOT aBsorbant) and pulls all the unwanted things from your system. The molecules in the preparation literally attract and cling to bad molecules, and then they are removed from the body via normal elimination.
Sonne’s has a nice brand called simply ‘Detoxificant #7’. Again, inexpensive and available at any local health food store.

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You state you are on anti-acid drugs (pharmaceuticals). While this type of drug can make you ‘feel’ better, it can also compound your problems, so please use caution. Proton Pump Inhibitors can cause many unpleasant and unwanted side effects that might not show up til years later. A major research study last summer came out linking long term use of PPI’s to increased risk of fractures, pneumonia, other stomach and intestinal infections, iron and B12 deficiencies, cardiovascular risks, kidney problems and dementia! That’s a long list of bad things that no one wants. There are alternatives. Please research and ask for guidance from a holistic practitioner.

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Your profile states you are in Ohio; depending on location I may be able to refer to a holistic or alternative practitioner near your home if you’d like. Be your own advocate and don’t take everything your gastro doctor says at face value. Do your own research and be as educated as possible about your condition.

Best of luck to you!!

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Get your hands on some plant-based enzymes and your problem will likely disappear.

My ex-wife is an RN and she prescribes enzymes to everyone, who has tummy troubles.  Enzymes work and give nearly immediate results, like within an hour!  I think the brand she prescribes is Theramedic or Thera-something.  At any rate, it's worth a shot; chemicals from allopathic sources do NOT have your best interest in mind.

Hope this helps; nobody likes a rumbly in the tumbly.
 
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Thanks all!

Andrea, I've tried to migrate to a a more alkaline diet many times and add apple cider vinegar to my life, but maybe I have been doing it wrong. I could never ever touch much alcohol, but I can also never ever touch much tomatoes and oranges. These would all give me tummy aches. I thought I was getting to the point where I could have more of that, then this happened, so maybe not. I would say my diet rests fairly around slightly acid (heavy fish and meat)with some alkalining elements (berries, apple-cider in chickpea dip, herbs, fresh dark greens). I definitely feel better, and maybe partially that is due to some pH factor, and all the above mentioned.

I have been on a probiotic prior and it helped, but now I graduated to sauerkraut too. I had tried kambucha-bad idea. It has alcohol.

Al, I had tried enzymes and they helped a little too, but I assume for the same sort of reason as probiotics- easing digestive off the human. I have a friend who used them when she was pregnant for minor heartburn and it worked wonders for her. This was not very responsive which is one reason I started talking with specialist and get tested soon.

As for the long-term issues with staying on the proton pump inhibitor (ppi), I don't plan on sticking around long enough for those affects or getting pregnant near it. I added some supplements to my diet for the time being, but only take a little of that ground in food because I don't believe in downing supplements, I think they can screw up gut flora. I also don't plan on long term use of them, just enough to heal. I think it's working since I had about 5 good days with a steady decline in symptoms since I started the treatment I mentioned above. They say it can take two to three months for an ulcer to completely heal (if I have that), after that I should be good to drop off the medicine and get back up my calcium levels. I should have been going into this fairly healthy, so I should make it, no problem. I do not plan on being on them long enough to suffer the side affects.

After this and even now I really need to do a liver cleansing. I heard the bentonite clay was good for that, right? I think my poor liver could use a little TLC after all it's been up against, and like you indicate- there could be a connection here.

Thanks for the input. Also, Andrea: since I hope whatever info we put up here becomes useful for others with the same problem, do you know of studies or people who have done what you suggested and beat an H.Pylori infection?

 
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There is enough stuff out there on liver cleansing that suggests it is unnecessary as long as a person can get healthy, the body will repair its self. I would definitely love to have others who had H. Pylori and took a while to get cured from it what worked and if the summary I posted makes sense according to their experience. My goal for this post was to summarize what seemed like a bunch of information that was very thoroughly scattered, hard to find, on a fairly common bacterial infection. And, the stuff that was easy to find was non-sensical compared to the actual study data I could access. It also seemed a lot of people were suffering on forums without answers.

I, however, am lucky. It's not H.pylori, either that or I wiped it out and healed up any damage in about a week, which I find hard to believe. I am still working at the diagnosis phase, but hopes this all helps someone else who might have H. pylori and be trying to scour the internet for information that doesn't have a dollar sign directly attached to it.
 
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Hi again, Amit!
Glad to hear you are feeling a bit better.

You say in your post that you tried apple cider vinegar in the past but I’m not clear if you stuck with it long enough to get results, or if you were saying you didn’t tolerate it well like the tomatoes and oranges and stopped using it.

Apple cider vinegar increases the alkalinity of the body, but it is in an ‘acid’ state right out of the bottle, and you can feel that unpleasant, too strong feeling if you aren’t diluting it. I’d recommend that you start with a half teaspoon in a cup of water and increase the amount of vinegar you add until you are having about a tablespoon full of vinegar in a cup of water three times a day.  It’s best on an empty stomach.

Just to be clear, you must use Organic Apple Cider Vinegar for this purpose.
‘Regular’ or refined vinegars of any kind, and non-organic apple cider vinegar are not the same on a molecular level and will NOT help you heal. Organic ACV is cloudy and has a residue that collects at the bottom of the bottle that is slippery/slimy and a bit gritty sometimes. This is referred to as ‘the mother’ and is actually chains of protein enzyme molecules. That is the component that heals your gut.

Eating to clean and support your liver would be a great idea for you. If you have a system that is unstable for some reason, like illness, stress, insomnia, or exposure to ugly things like pesticides, chemicals or toxins, your liver will thank you for some support. The easiest way to do this is with a supplement of milk thistle (can be purchased in capsules at any health food store), drinking dandelion tea or eating dandelion root, and (dare I say it), avoidance or elimination of dairy from your diet.

Some people have a really hard time digesting animal proteins in general, but especially dairy can contribute to a congested liver, pancreas, gall bladder and bile duct.
If your diet is heavy on meats as you describe, you may want to consider some basic changes in your diet as well. I’ve seen clients improve greatly by doing an ‘upside-down’ version of the standard American diet, which is traditionally meat, a starchy food, and some veggies.

If you convert to meals primarily made with vegetables, with some starch, and a small amount of meat as a seasoning /condiment, you may find that you feel better right away. As I mentioned before, animal proteins are really problematic for some. Meat takes a longer time to move through your system, and your body has to work harder to process it to utilize the nutritional benefit. It takes more pancreatic enzymes to digest meats and your stomach actually has to work harder to produce MORE acid to dissolve the fat and protein in meat. It may be worth your while to greatly reduce (or even eliminate for 7 days) the meat in your diet.

While I am a proponent for a plant based diet, I know that isn’t for everyone. What I am saying, however, is that if your diet is causing your body to use more enzymes and produce more acid just to break down the food you are eating, and then you are taking enzymatic supplements to make up the deficit and taking acid reducers or proton pump inhibitors to lower the production of gastric acids, it may be more prudent to simply remove some of the offending or irritating foods from your diet temporarily. You can always reintroduce foods later, when you are healthy and your gut is healed.

Kombucha—May I ask what kind you tried? The alcohol content in kombucha is minimal and a byproduct of fermentation. You would have to drink a half case of light beer to get the same amount of alcohol in one bottle of kombucha. Some home-brewed kombucha is manipulated for a slightly higher alcohol content by leaving the finished product unrefrigerated for a few days, but all commercially sold kombucha is under .05% alcohol. The benefits of kombucha are amazing, and it would be a shame if you were turned off from it due to one bad experience. I’d suggest experimenting with different manufacturers and flavors, as there are some great ones out there. Alternatively, if you know someone who home brews it, then that would be the best option.

You are correct, bentonite clay, or more specifically montmorillonite clay, is great for supporting your liver and in removing toxins from your body. It is equally effective in removing contaminants from every organ in your body, including your gastrointestinal tract. There is a video out there on YouTube somewhere that provides a great visual of the adsorption qualities of clay...I will look for it and post it here if I find it. It basically shows how the addition of clay ‘de-colorizes’ a red kool-aid type mix and only pure water is left.

Lastly, you ask about studies or proof of result. I don’t have anything at my fingertips, but I’m sure that there are many first-hand accounts on the internet. Mainstream medical will denounce most alternative practices, simply due to the fact that if you aren’t taking pharmaceuticals, you aren’t making money for them and their financial enterprises.

I have treated clients personally and trained in an alternative medicine clinic where what I describe in my prior post was the basic protocol for any gastrointestinal or digestive problem. Some things work better for some individuals than for others, but generally, every item listed, either together or as a stand-alone, will offer you some benefit. The key is to strengthen your entire system so you can fight off any little bugs (bacteria) or infections you might come into contact with.

I can offer you that I have self-treated for severe gastro issues with this regimen after being told by traditional gastro MD’s that if I didn’t submit to their RX protocol, I’d be sorry. I declined their prescriptions and opted to ‘go natural’ instead as a first line of treatment with full recovery.

**Of course, I’m not suggesting in any way that anyone reading this follow my footsteps in declining medical treatment/medications. It was a personal choice for me, and I have the support of a large alternative practice network. I suggest that anyone needing support see their physician or holistic practitioner, or whatever healer they are comfortable with. **

Wishing you all the best!
~Andrea
 
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Hi Amit,

Here's an article from GreenMedInfo that adds broccoli sprouts to the already-mentioned black seed and probiotics.

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/3-natural-h-pylori-cures-are-clinically-proven-1
 
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Ok, this is a complicated topic and I think you're a little overwhelmed with cross-information.

I'm NOT a doc, of course, but I have read and studied quite a bit on this. I will suggest some of your own research IMMEDIATELY that you can read and learn what I believe is more of the truth than what you are hearing now.  And I'll offer some of my own advice, take it at whatever value you wish:

don't kill your h-pylori.   They are protective of cancer. They do cause some inflammation, which right now is NOT your friend. However, ACID is your friend. You need acid to keep down the bad bugs, however in the meantime you must heal because you don't want the acid causing more problems.

listen to, or read this book, and the first parts of the book specifically address h-pylori. You might not get all your answers, but you will NOT fear them any longer.
https://www.amazon.com/Missing-Microbes-Overuse-Antibiotics-Fueling/dp/0805098100

also, heal your gut. here's a website with good info, but in the meantime I use and recommend taking enzymes with every single meal, and once your gut is healing up nicely, take acids.  don't think i'm nuts, please. bone broths are amazing for healing, along with some supplements like l-glutamine, gelatin and others.

please read this article, long but critical to your health.
https://chriskresser.com/what-everybody-ought-to-know-but-doesnt-about-heartburn-gerd/

and third, I would seek out the assistance of a doctor that is skilled in these natural healing, bacteria preserving methods of curing your illness.

low carb diets would be good, but go slow and don't stress over it because that would be worse.  also, eating a few different things will change your gut bacteria population, but not in a negative way (drugs would be negative to the gut bugs) but really you're not going to do harm with most foods you would eat. even eating some yogurt is not a massive overall gut bacteria change, the ones you were born with (h-pylori, your FRIEND) and others are still there. after listening to that book above, it has changed a lot of what I think about our bacteria and even scares me to think that we should literally consider antibiotics a LAST resort to any treatment, life or death stuff.
send me an email if you wish to chat more.  lyantach at gmail.com



 
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Thank you for your replies. I love that book. It is a very good point. Rather than attacking the weed, ask why it's there. It is interesting how prevalent it is and yet how fairly rare an infection of it occurs, so there may be a probiotics component that we just don't fully understand, and maybe it isn't the evil villain I made it out to be in my earlier posts. However, since everyone's gut flora is unique, maybe for some people it is. Maybe H. pylori does best only when in check by some other microbe or other thing we just don't know yet or is like the thistle which colonizes a pile of dirt. Yes, the thistle is pokey and annoying, but it is conditioning the soil.

As for the diet I mentioned earlier I was going to try. I can say it probably does "clean you out", though not sure that's a good thing. Again, probiotics will also be affect. As for the intense meat, perhaps fish or nuts would be better to avoid the inflammation associated with red meat. Though, I think "beef" and "grass-fed beef" are two different animals.

I think for what I had (An intense muscle spasm near my stomach which put pressure on all the adjacent organs) meat was good. And, I think just as Andrea mentioned the acid blockers were bad, making it worse. Inflammation reducers were good, and lots of tea was good for re hydration. It is a HUGE relief that all my work on building my gut flora and eating healthy didn't fail. I just need to also remember to do it while shoveling loads of dirt on hot days.

So, in summary:

A study on rodents showed that a high fat+ protein or protein diet helped reduce the damage caused by H. pylori in infected rats.

Anecdotal evidence says Manuka honey and maybe ginger and other anti-microbial foods might help remove an infection.

Anti-inflamitory foods are recommended, which often correlate with the chart Andrea included, which changes the body's pH.

However, an H. Pylori infection might be a sign of other things wrong with your digestive system, especially the flora and it might be good to clear out toxins, ensure your diet is
alkaline, and expose yourself to lots of probiotics. Probiotics are abundant in nature, but abhor a sterile surface (is my understanding). Another post on Permies says that they think that raw milk cured their H. Pylori.

And, (for a more personal note) if you are going to shovel multiple loads of dirt in and out of a pick-up on a hot day, make sure you stop and drink and eat enough to keep your body healthy, and maybe stretch afterwards.

Thank you all for your input.
 
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Through many years of self study and research I’ve come to a multitude of different perspectives and subjects as it pertains to health and what that really means to humans. Yet also, as I began to understand what health means towards the human body, it became apparent as to how it is appropriate towards all manner of species on this planet.

To ask about this or that as it pertains to the human body is asking how one persons understandings and beliefs is relevant in such a situation. How does the person who discovered a bacteria all of a sudden have any influence on the body. So a person discovered a bacteria and it’s been found that it in sufficient quantities it can produce negative feelings or influences towards living organisms. But what does it mean! And why should anyone care! What kind of environment would harbor such a species in sufficient quantities?
From years of self experimentation to find what I truly believe to be what are human species appropriate food sources, I have gained perspective. I have beliefs that say to me, humans have a species appropriate food which seem to really make the human organism thrive. And thrive on so many levels, that there are still people today that would say those are too miraculous or even beyond belief. Yet, all those people are out there living that life. But the miraculous became obvious the more I learned and experienced. And everything began to take perspective.

So if humans do have a species appropriate food source then what would it be? Comparing the length of the GI tract to spinal cord lengths of all the land mammal species on the planet begins to bring some interesting facts into view. Carnivores have very short digestive tracts and very strong stomach acids. Herbivores have very long digestive tracts meant for digesting lots of cellulose. So, where is the human digestive tract most associated with on this comparison with land mammals. Frugivores. Humans physiology most resembles the frugivore mammals on this planet. But, if you look into the cellular structure of humans you also learn that every cell in the human body uses simple carbohydrates, glucose and fructose, as a food source.

So where do we go from here? How does any of this pertain to health of the human body? Do some research on Pottengers Cats and you can learn what happens through scientific study, to an organism(cats) that eats an inappropriate/altered/cooked species food, compared to the same organism(cats) that eats a species appropriate food. To put it simply, when an organism is fed food that is, inappropriate/altered/cooked, that organism becomes sick and slowly mutated generation through generation, finally leading to cats that could no longer reproduce and had very shortened lifespans. And when that same organism has been fed its species appropriate food, it becomes fully grown, lives healthy through it’s whole life and produces healthy offspring that also grow to their full genetic potential. When the sick cats were fed their appropriate food, they became healthier. All organisms on this planet have their own species appropriate food source, and the human body is quite simply another organism upon this planet which also has a species appropriate food source that it desires.

Now, back to this bacteria called H Pylori. What type of conditions would this bacteria thrive in? How would a lab technician culture this bacteria and keep it fed and alive? Well, to put it simply, it’s a bacteria that thrives in environments of decaying/putrefying flesh. Knowing this, you can see that the culturing environment that is being created inside of a body that is full of fleshy meals tends to be an excellent breeding ground for this bacteria. It finds its way into the human GI tract, and if the culturing medium is correct for it, then it will take hold and eventually thrive if there are no other competing bacteria. If the culturing medium won’t support this type of bacteria, then it will simply be expelled from the body without ever being noticed. So, armed with this information it becomes clearer as to the steps a person must take to effectively eradicated this type of bacteria from its host. Clean up the environment it’s currently occupying, while changing the culturing medium, and the unwanted bacteria will go away.

To really begin down this path it would be wise, IMO, to spend time gaining knowledge on detox, and understand just what detox truly is. Someone with an immense amount of knowledge on what he likes to term, regenerative cellular detoxification, has many years helping hundreds of thousands down this path. So he would be someone worth sitting down and investing time in learning from. Find him on youtube at robertmorsend. His name is Dr. Morse.

And there are many many more worth learning from. Yet I chose to share with you whom I consider to be the first worth spending time to learn from. Here are a few others to add variety... John Rose - I’ve recently been on a juice fast, so I’ve been enjoying his videos he’s done on health. liferegenerator His name is Dan McDonald, he likes to talk and he has lots of good things to say. You can find a lot of great recipes through youtube as well.

Maybe that was a bit long winded. But hopefully I've sufficiently provided enough information in a way that made sense. And it’s detailed enough so that it can help you along a path that will bring about health if you so choose.
 
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Amit Enventres wrote:One last thing: there are binaural beat videos that are supposed to help heal the gutt and even kill H. Pylori. As far fetched as this may seem, I figure it can't hurt (as long as it doesn't hurt your ears) and at a minimum can help calm a person and focus them on healing.


Indeed, sound is another form of transmitting frequency, just as light therapy or consuming nutrition are.  Your brain responds the same no matter the source of the frequency.  Human BioAcoustics as pioneered by Sharry Edwards recognizes this, and ongoing research has provided amazing results in restoring a healthy balance.  Nerves have been regrown, bones healed and even regrown, macular degeneration resolved, PTSD overcome, pain quickly reduced, etc.  Everything in your body such as muscles, bones, hormones, toxins, nutrients, genes, etc. have their own resonant frequency, and that info is transmitted via the vagus nerve through your voice.  Vocal analysis reveals the state of your health, and specific frequencies can be used to pull the "sour" frequencies back into balance, which allows the body to heal itself.  You can learn how to do this yourself and support the non-profit Institute of BioAcoustic Biology & Sound Health's mission to restore people's power to maintain their own health.  This is a new paradigm for many; I've created a simple website that introduces the concept and links back to pertinent parts of the Sound Health Options main site:  http://tiny.cc/soundadvice

Someone also mentioned Manuka honey.  I second that; for more info, listen to Richard Pearl interview Gavin Gear, founder of ManukaGuard which produces medical grade honey (as well as consumer dietary grade).  It is 100% effective against staph infection, great for acid reflux, etc.  Richard had Gavin on his show on 7-12-2014 and on 2-6-2016.  After listening to those shows, you’ll be dripping with knowledge about Manuka honey!   I’ve combined those podcasts here: http://tiny.cc/manukahoney

Richard’s live “Pearls of Health” shows are Saturday, 12pm Central on http://wbzt.com, and you can find his show archives since 3-29-2015 at http://tiny.cc/pearlsofhealth

Cabbage juice is excellent for healing stomach ulcers.  4 ounces several times per day for a few days often works wonders.  I recall a study where cabbage juice outperformed drugs.

Another post mentioned that stomach acids digest fats and proteins.  To a limited degree that is true, but primarily stomach acids are actually activators for the body's digestive enzymes.  So when you consume a meal, stomach acids are secreted to activate your enzymes that actually break down the meal.  If the stomach acids were the primary method of digestion, they would digest your stomach as well.  I learned this from enzyme expert Ron Schneider, founder of Enriching Gifts International (http://www.enrichinggifts.com; referral code T00011 saves 30%).  Their full-spectrum plant based enzymes are the most potent I've found, with 130,500 HUT of protease (compared to 10,000-50,000 for most other formulations).  It also includes ionic minerals which are necessary cofactors for enzyme utilization, but are often deficient in modern diets.  Studies have shown an increase in digestion by 243%, and metabolization of branched chain amino acids by 525%, and of free form amino acids by 723%.  Since enzyme production capability typically diminishes about 8-10% per decade, and the high priority that the body places on digestion (that consumes about 50-60% of available metabolic energy), enzyme supplementation is arguably the most important supplement to maintain optimal health.

A simple and extremely effective protocol to quickly heal the gut is Robert Scott Bell's silver-aloe protocol.  He's made that chapter of his book available online: http://tiny.cc/silveraloeprotocol
The aloe is very healing; the silver is antibacterial but also regenerates tissue as well (that's why they use it in burn wards).  By the way, a study showed the Enriching Gifts aloe product's long-chain polysaccharide content averaged 1,000,000 compared to less than 25,000 for competing products, and increased cellular regeneration rate by 2.7 times.
 
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