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Hello rocketers,

Has anyone been making shippable cores? I know there has been research on it. And they burn really hot.

I've been thinking of installing a system and the shippable core seems the way to go.

 
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Dragon Heaters makes three sizes of Peter van den Berg's J-tube core design. Other than that, I don't know of anybody actually making a business of it. If you are handy with tools and good at following directions it is not difficult to make your own. Or you can build a firebrick core with next to no tools.
 
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Another source is Walker Stoves, for cook-stove (sidewinder) cores, plus batch-box and J-tube cores:

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Thanks for the info! Are there instructions for a shippable core on the internet?
 
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"Shippable" has nothing to do with how efficient or effective a core is. There are plenty of resources, including some threads in this forum. Matt Walker ("broaudio") has a series of youtube videos on casting a core which will be very well insulated and efficient.
 
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Glenn Herbert wrote:Dragon Heaters makes three sizes of Peter van den Berg's J-tube core design. Other than that, I don't know of anybody actually making a business of it. If you are handy with tools and good at following directions it is not difficult to make your own. Or you can build a firebrick core with next to no tools.



Hi Glenn,

I don't see many people posting builds using dragon heater cores.  For the people that want a ready made core, is the cost of a dragon core a barrier do you think?

I see that they are selling the business here: https://permies.com/t/61680/Dragon-shippable-cores-North-Idaho
 
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I couldn't speak for most people, but I did consider a Dragon Heater core early in my RMH exploration, but eventually decided I could cast my own well-functioning core for a fraction of the cost and not too much work. I turned out to be correct. Those without a good array of tools and the skill to build complex things may have a different experience.
 
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Where are you Doug? We are developing shippable cores and complete shippable rockets you just add mass to. Currently the best way to get one of ours is to come do one of our two day workshops and take a rocket home with you. For more information see the end of this thread https://permies.com/t/80/31100/Rocket-Mass-Heater-Shippable-Core
I have used a dragonheater for several years now in part of my house, a Liberator Rocket Heater in one of my cottages, one of my own design in the other side of the house and in my rental and others I've built in a friend's school bus, several greenhouses, and the library at my kid's school. If you are near Cleveland come visit us. If not then watch for us at the Mother Earth News Fairs or join us at the Homestead/ATC workshop at Paul's in Montana in July and build one to take home. https://richsoil.com/atc.jsp Tell them Uncle Mud sent you.
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Chris McClellan wrote:Where are you Doug? We are developing shippable cores and complete shippable rockets you just add mass to. Currently the best way to get one of ours is to come do one of our two day workshops and take a rocket home with you. For more information see the end of this thread https://permies.com/t/80/31100/Rocket-Mass-Heater-Shippable-Core
I have used a dragonheater for several years now in part of my house, a Liberator Rocket Heater in one of my cottages, one of my own design in the other side of the house and in my rental and others I've built in a friend's school bus, several greenhouses, and the library at my kid's school. If you are near Cleveland come visit us. If not then watch for us at the Mother Earth News Fairs or join us at the Homestead/ATC workshop at Paul's in Montana in July and build one to take home. https://richsoil.com/atc.jsp Tell them Uncle Mud sent you.



How do you like that Liberator? Is it holding up well?
 
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The liberator is holding up well. I got to visit their factory last month on my way home from Wheaton Labs.  They are in the process of UL testing and EPA testing their Mark 2. I also got a mini while I was there. It's a 4" and heats pretty well for being so small. Both are ceramic coated on the interior. I will be interested to see how that changes the game--hotter or lasting longer. No data yet. Their new pellet hopper is pretty cool too. Unfortunately all the pictures I got are of the Mark 1 and my mini is in storage with my Mother Earth News Fair stuff so I will get more pictures in Texas in February.
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Very cool Chris !  This is the first I've heard of the liberator. I just checked their website, pretty neat stuff.  
Ceramic coatings are easily capable of handling the heat  I wonder how hot these get and how long they will hold up.
Keep us posted. I know some folks that would really like a rocket pellet burner.
 
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The uncoated Liberators are designed to get up a little above 900 degrees (f) which is a bit wussy for a rocket but really good for a UL listed woodstove and about as good as it gets if you don't want to melt things. I'm not thinking they intend the mach 2 to get any hotter, but the UL listing includes 12' of horizontal exhaust for a thermal bench install.
 
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I don't see any reviews of the Dragon Heater cores.

https://www.dragonheaters.com/j-tube-rocket-heater-cores/

Does anyone have experience with these pre-made cores?

Are they good, bad, mixed?

Thanks.
 
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