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Minimal land size

 
Aurélie abel
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Hi there,
We are in a transition where we are looking to buy some land for a homestead but are also thinking of selling products as well in the future. I wonder how much land, as a minimum, I would need to have both a variety of crops for the homestead and some specialists crop to sell. I know it all depends on soil type, how we do it and how much we would like to sell but trying to have an understanding of the land size difference between a homestead alone and one with a selling production area. Our goal is not self sufficient for everything, mainly veggies and fruits.
At the moment we are looking at land around 1500 square meter, house included for the homestead. We could probably find some agriculture land around later on but would we be able to get started on such a small piece of land?
Thanks for some examples or ideas.
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Can you describe what climate or location you are in? Growing zone, precipitation, approximate soil type? Etc.

Not all land is equal.
 
Lakota Myers
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I am interested in this topic. I am looking to buy a homestead myself with similar goals. I was wondering if 5 acres was about right. Here in Missouri, the land tends to be somewhat rocky and timbered. I am concerned I will have trouble finding land cheaply except fully timbered.
 
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Jean-Martin Fortier has a great book about market gardening in Quebec on only 1.5 acres.
 
Matthew Lewis
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I think 5 acres of decent land will be enough just about anywhere and will give a family a lot options for how they want to manage their land.

Aurélie

1500 Square Meters is about a third of an acre. Curtis Stone has a lot of information on growing market gardens on small plots of land you can find him on YouTube and also some excellent podcasts at permaculture voices.

http://www.permaculturevoices.com/the-urban-farmer-show/

Personal I think a third of an acre is a bit too small. If climate and soil are decent I think 1 acre is about as small as I would want to go. That would let you have 1/4
Acre for vegetable plots, 1/4 for fruit and nut trees and small livestock, 1/4 for the home, garage, shop and other outbuildings (if you have a homestead you will probably have small machinery and stuff that needs to be built and maintained).

That will leave 1/4 acre left over to expand what projects are best suited for you so if market gardening (or whatever you are planning) does well you would have expansion room.

All that said Curtis Stone got started with no land so 1/3 acre home base should be sufficient if you can use other people's land to expand your production.
 
D. Klaer
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Definitely check out Curtis Stone. 1/3 of an acre is fine for quite a bit of production with the vegies but you can always have more space for fruit trees (and stock if you decide to add them). I wish I had 20 acres but currently work with my 1/2 an acre permaculture site. If I am honest with myself it will be a long time until I run out of space, a lot can be done with stacking. I grow big tropical trees too (mango, various sapote, avocado, jackfruit etc). Pruning works wonders in these situations and my climate allows for dense planting, I have plenty of sun. The limiting factor here is the limitations regarding stock but quail have been my answer and I raise them outside in tractors. I keep a few chickens too to keep the wife happy but if I am honest they have nothing on the quail, look into quail

With the intensive management possible in a smaller space you can really do a lot per meter and the beauty of an urban situation is that you can convert waste streams to be your inputs. Would love to follow your project when you get started.
 
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