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Marilyn de Queiroz
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If you don't want to feed your dog dogfood, is it better to feed him raw meat or cooked meat? If raw, I would worry about E coli 0157 or Salmonella. But in the wild, animals eat raw meat. Maybe their lifespan is shorter because the meat isn't cooked first?
 
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I've heard of people feeding their animals "BARF" - which is an acronym that means (I think) raw meat.
 
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Interesting! Good educated guess, Paul. "Bones And raw food" although using cooked and blended vegetables is recommended. Sounds like more work though. Is it worth it? I guess it depends.
 
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I've been feeding my dogs raw meat (including raw bones and organ meat too) and ground vegetables for 7 years now. One that was very ill at 7 is now looking like a puppy. IF anything it has increased her life-span. The thing about their digestive system is that the stomach acid is more acidic than ours, and the food moves through their system faster. So, e-coli is not a problem if it doesn't have time to get established. Raw food cannot be mixed with a diet of kibble though. Kibble reduces acidity and slows absorption.  Check out Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats by Kymythy R. Schultze. This book explains how to make a raw food diet that's well balanced.
 
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just to add a note for any tacoma readers: carolyn is the woman to talk to about good dog food on the cheap. truly amazing. she's a waitress and has food scraps down to a science. anyone who is a waitress has a Huge resource to tap into. and her dog is the healthiest critter around
 
Leah Sattler
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An old freind of mine is a butcher and I have considered hitting him up for any scraps that are not fit for human consumption to feed my dogs. Does anyone know if selling meat scraps for dogs has the same legal restrictions as selling regular meat?
 
                                          
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I just switched my dog from high end dry food to home cooking about three weeks ago. Mostly he eats brown rice and veggies (kale, brocolli, carrots, beets) and once or twice a week he gets some raw beef or a few raw eggs mixed in there. I also took him off frontline since I realized how bad it's been. He gets out of our fenced yard and his picked up some fleas, so I have to bath him once a week while I'm building up his skin. I always mix in nutritional yeast to his meal (a cup and a half apx. 115lbs dog) as I read that and garlic are good so the skin doesn't taste good to fleas. I also add 1/4 cup of olive/sunflower/grapeseed oil to the dinner bowl. makes it all much tastier to the pup, and his coat has had an amazing change since switching from dry food.
 
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I visited a farm where they had this old cat.  The fur on this old cat was super thick.  The people said that about three years ago the cat looked like it was minutes from the grave and then started feeding it raw milk (right from their own cow) and raw food.  The cat's fur got really thick and the cat looked five years younger.
 
                          
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the only things i don't feed dogs is cooked chicken or cooked bones as they shatter differently than raw and may cause chocking problem, the dog scavenges bones at BBQ's though and has never choked

Dogs seem to love putrid meat (yuk) in the wild, or dug up, so i don't think e-coli would be a large prob

if your butchers do not sell dog meat, just ask for soup bones

i also cook a brew of rice, lentles and veg to supplement diet
 
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IIRC, raw milk is legal to sell as pet food, but not as human food.

I think the restrictions are extremely lax on animal feed, to the point that a lot of chicken feed has arsenic added intentionally.
 
charles c. johnson
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Mike Adams
Natural News
Monday, Dec 7th, 2009

Imagine being watched by two undercover cops as you engage in an illicit deal in a deserted parking lot. The buyer hesitantly hands you some cash. You flash a look over your shoulder, just to make sure the coast is clear, then you hand over the contraband. Neither of you says a word. You just nod, acknowledging the deal is done, then you head back to your car and buckle up for the drive home.
But before you can even put the car into drive, a screeching formation of police cars, surrounds you, sirens wailing. Armed officers leap from their vehicles, guns drawn and sunglasses glaring. “Come out with your hands up!” they shout.You slowly open the driver’s door of your car and inch out of your seat with both hands raised in surrender, cowering behind the open door. “What did I do, officer? What’s my crime?”
Their answer comes back loud and intimidating: “SELLING RAW MILK!”
                   
                        Springfield Missouri: Where farmers are branded criminals

The above description is a dramatization of real events that happened recently in Springfield, Missouri, where the state has decided to spend considerable taxpayer resources running a sting operating against a family that was caught dealing — gulp! — raw milk in a parking lot.

Yes, both the Missouri Dept. of Health and the state Attorney General (Chris Koster) have decided that prosecuting a farm family for illegally “trafficking” raw milk should be at the top of their list of priorities. The family being targeted by state officials is the Bechard family, of Armand and Teddi Bechard, and their children Joseph, Hananiah, Kazia and Katie.

The name of the cow offering the milk is reportedly “Misty.”

As the Springfield, Missouri News-Leader paper reports, “Two undercover investigators with the Springfield-Greene County Health Department allegedly caught two of the couple’s daughters on two occasions selling a gallon of milk each from a Springfield parking lot. Charges followed in municipal court.”
In case you’re not yet sure what you’re reading here, note carefully that these daughters were not caught selling crack, meth or crank. They weren’t dealing second-hand pharmaceuticals to yuppie school kids. They weren’t selling e.coli-contaminated hamburger meat, cancer-causing diet sodas (made with aspartame) or canned soups laced with MSG. They weren’t even selling broiler chickens contaminated with salmonella — just as you can find in every grocery store in America. Nope, they were selling raw milk. You know, the bovine mother’s milk, unpasteurized, unprocessed, non-homogenized and wholly pure, natural and innocent. The stuff America was raised on. The stuff your parents fed you when you were a kid, if your family was lucky enough to have a cow.

In Missouri today, selling such a natural product is now apparently a criminal act. What’s next? A ban on farm-fresh eggs because the Dept. of Health doesn’t control their quality? The outlawing of raw broccoli because broccoli contains natural anti-cancer medicine?
Fortunately, the Bechard family is fighting back. As reported by the News-Leader:

“They will not sign a consent order to make the state’s complaint go away and they’re defending themselves against the city charges, too. They’ve gotten legal help from the The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, a nonprofit organization made up of farmers and consumers pooling resources to fight for the rights of family farmers trying to get unprocessed food to consumers who want it.”
 
charles c. johnson
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here the suit version of the raw milk story

http://www.kspr.com/news/whereyoulive/webster/78110692.html
 
Leah Sattler
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oh the horror! raw milk! someone is selling raw milk!   we can sell up to 100 gallons a month off farm here (legally)

I want to mention that bacterial contamination is not as big an issue with dogs. they have much tougher digestive systems. besides. properly handled meat shouldn't be laden with bacteria anyway.  feeding milk to animals can pose the same problem as with some humans. lack of lactase to digest the lactose. yogurt is probably a better option.
 
                        
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there is a deer processing plant near me and they are always glad to fill a garbage sack with bones and meat left over from deer processing.
 
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