Pre-order the 2016 Rocket Mass Heater 4-DVD set


Should be coming out August 10th!

Click Here!

  • Post Reply
  • Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic

Toddler won't sleep through the night

 
Burra Maluca
Mother Tree
Pie
Posts: 8447
Location: Portugal Zone 9 Mediterranean Climate
524
bee bike books duck forest garden greening the desert solar trees wofati
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Does anyone have any suggestions for a sleep deprived couple with a toddler who just doesn't want to sleep through the night? 

I think it's a behaviour thing rather than a diet thing, but they just can't seem to persuade him that nights are for sleeping and staying asleep.  I have the same problem with the old man, and I give him a shot of alcohol at bedtime, which works well but it's not something you could do for a young kid.  And if my own sleep pattern gets too disturbed I take valerian, which soon gets me back on track, but I'm not sure it's appropriate for a toddler, even assuming it was possible to get it down him. 

Does anyone have any suggestions?  Is there something herbal which would help him sleep through the night?  Or is it the wrong approach?  Should they just let him 'scream it out'?  Or is there a better way? 

Any advice or suggestions gratefully received as they are getting desperate! 
 
Jami McBride
volunteer
Posts: 1948
Location: PNW Oregon
25
books chicken duck food preservation forest garden hugelkultur trees
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
There is chewable melatonin that tastes like peppermint.  The brand is Nutrition Now, I get it in the health food island at Fred Meyers.  It relaxes and clams, it is not a drug.  I had friends give it to their hyper son just to take the edge off. 

Also running the child during the day, and giving him a warm bath just before bed to settle down for the evening.

But none of this will work if the parents are busy, the house is noisy, lights are on - all things signaling that the fun stuff is still going on.  No one likes to be left out of what's going on.

When my kids were young I would shut off most of the lights, sometimes light a candle, give them their daily bath and then let them watch a movie - worked every time, they were out before the movie was over.  I was also sitting quietly reading or watching the show.  No noise or activity, everything (the house and me) signaled the day was over time for bed.
 
T. Joy
Posts: 438
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I don't recommend things like melatonin for children (in fact I don't recommend that for anyone) because messing with hormones is not a good idea, it confuses the body's natural production of such things and can lead to health issues down the road. Better is to focus on how to stimulate the body's own natural rhythm and sleep cycles.
I just read something somewhere about how the blue light spectrum of tv, computer screen etc inhibits melatonin production by sending an early morning wake up signal to the brain so I second the idea of dim lighting at night. A warm bath is a great idea, in fact any sort of bedtime routine that is followed faithfully will help get a body into the mood for sleep. At first this might take a bit of time but consistency is the name of the game and it will pay off. 
Not eating or drinking late at night, making sure to get enough physical activity but to calm things down well in advance of bedtime switching over to relaxing activities. This is a great time to spend together doing some colouring or playing a board game.
There is a homeopathic remedy called Calms that I hear good things about.
One final thought, at this age children should not be exposed to any television at all. Studies have shown that it actually alters the development of neural pathways which can lead to a child not being able to focus or calm themselves (ADHD, hello). Zero screen time, even secondary (as in parents are watching it around a child). That takes quite a commitment, I know, but it is either that or not getting any sleep time at night.
 
Tyler Ludens
pollinator
Pie
Posts: 8453
Location: Central Texas USA Latitude 30 Zone 8
103
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
According to the "Home Herbal" by Penelope Ody, Chamomile and California Poppy are both safe mild sedatives for children given as a tea.  Also of course to avoid feeding any sugar late in the day. (Of course I would say don't feed sugar to children at all!  )

 
Max Tanner
Posts: 92
Location: Ontario North and South - right now, moving North Permanently soon. Timmins Cochrane areas
1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I am not an expert at all and this is second hand from a customer.

Her child could not sleep through the night, she had worms. The mother treated her and the worms went away and the child slept like a baby!
 
Amber Westfall
Posts: 13
Location: Ottawa
1
  • Likes 1
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Chamomile and/or catnip tea.  Both very safe and gentle for little ones.  And big ones too!  Just be careful, it's so effective sometimes I fall asleep mid-sip and end up coughing!  Oh and lemonbalm is nice if there is over-stimulation, anxiety or the child tends to get hot and sweaty.
 
alisha cornog
Posts: 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
I am at lost for what to do. I have a 14 month old who WILL NOT go to bed let alone stay asleep. Yes he is teething but I give him meds for it n a warm milk bottle but he still wakes up at night crying and not wanting to go back to sleep. and when I put him to bed he scream cries so bad he turns purple and red and starts shaking. I don't know what to do and I don't know what to give him since he's so young. any help will be very grateful.
 
Elissa Teal
Posts: 128
Location: Detroit, Michigan
2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
alisha cornog wrote:I am at lost for what to do. I have a 14 month old who WILL NOT go to bed let alone stay asleep. Yes he is teething but I give him meds for it n a warm milk bottle but he still wakes up at night crying and not wanting to go back to sleep. and when I put him to bed he scream cries so bad he turns purple and red and starts shaking. I don't know what to do and I don't know what to give him since he's so young. any help will be very grateful.


Poor little guy. Have you tried co-sleeping? Letting him sleep in bed with you.
 
Elissa Teal
Posts: 128
Location: Detroit, Michigan
2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Jami McBride wrote:There is chewable melatonin that tastes like peppermint.  The brand is Nutrition Now, I get it in the health food island at Fred Meyers.  It relaxes and clams, it is not a drug.  I had friends give it to their hyper son just to take the edge off. 

Also running the child during the day, and giving him a warm bath just before bed to settle down for the evening.

But none of this will work if the parents are busy, the house is noisy, lights are on - all things signaling that the fun stuff is still going on.  No one likes to be left out of what's going on.

When my kids were young I would shut off most of the lights, sometimes light a candle, give them their daily bath and then let them watch a movie - worked every time, they were out before the movie was over.  I was also sitting quietly reading or watching the show.  No noise or activity, everything (the house and me) signaled the day was over time for bed.


I'll second what Jami wrote (except for the melatonin -- because I don't know anything about it). Having a peaceful and dimly lit evening plus a relaxing bedtime routine are great ideas. We cherish our family's bedtime routine which includes reading stories in bed for about a half an hour. My boys are 8, 6, and 4 and they love listening to stories as they fall asleep. Bonds of love and attachment are created especially during this time.
 
David Livingston
steward
Pie
Posts: 2239
Location: Anjou ,France
66
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
My mother used to give me " gripe water" but later on discovered it contained a greater % of alcohol than whiskey . But it worked

David
 
Dawn Hoff
Posts: 368
Location: Andalucía, Spain
3
  • Likes 3
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
It isn't natural for babies or toddlers to sleep through the night - it is an expectation that is entirely western and sets western parents up for failure (and makes them feel that they have to use methods like cry-it-out to make their babies comply with the norm). Most babies sleep better in their mothers arms, and most babies in the west are made to sleep alone.

Other than that - yes TV and computers disrupt your natural sleep rusted and inhibits natural production of melatonin. Turning it off at least one hour before bedtime might help. Many children (and adults) lack magnesium in their diets and this is also leads to disrupted sleep (because muscle relaxation requires magnesium). My daughter had what looked like "night terrors" many many nights until I stated giving her bone broth and Epsom salt baths (not every night but a few nights per week).
 
alisha cornog
Posts: 2
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
@ Elissa...I tried co_sleeping and it doesn't work. He tries to fall of the bed and I even put tons of pillows and blankets to soften the blow and he moves around like crazy and still wakes up at night. I cant give him melatonin because he's to young. im lost for words on what to do to help him sleep at night. I feel so bad that he cant fall and stay asleep.
 
Dale Hodgins
volunteer
Pie
Posts: 6139
Location: Victoria British Columbia-Canada
185
  • Mark post as helpful
  • send pies
  • Quote
  • Report post to moderator
Paul will be happy to note that once again, the villain may be those damn CFL bulbs. Their attempt to mimic sunlight causes the brain to think it's the middle of the day as bedtime approaches. Old fashioned incandescents throw more light in the red and infrared zone. Sunsets and campfires have more light at that end of the spectrum. Seratonin levels may be at the root of this.

This probably has more to do with getting to sleep than with staying asleep, but either way, let's ditch those bulbs. They're killing the kids !!!
 
  • Post Reply
  • Bookmark Topic Watch Topic
  • New Topic