alternate method for training grapes

OK I tried to get some discussion going in another thread about alternate training methods for grapes, but I wanted to start a new thread on the subject.

I don't have much space to work with and I dont have any walls/surfaces to train it on. I don't have the money or desire to build any free standing supports so I got to thinking about how I could overcome this. My idea.....


Train a main cordon straight up like a tree trunk with rebar supports on either side. The height would probably be 6 feet or so tall. I would then have secondary cordons coming off the main cordon like a regular trellis trained vine, only these would be only 14 inches or so long. I would have as many secondary cordons as possible and have them alternate around in a spiral fashion up the main cordon, sorta like spiral stairs and natural forms of trees. I would obviously keep the lowest cordon up high off the ground. From there the varities I want to grow will be spur pruned off of the secondary cordons. I will try and whip of a picture at some point to illustrate this.

So im looking for feedback on any issues people might see or altnerate methods that I haven't heard about. Thanks!

Not a bad idea. I imagine that, in time, the trunk might get so big that the metal supports would not be needed.

I never use the old clothesline, so last year I planted a grapevine by one post and I tied it to it. It is too early to tell if this is a good idea or not.

"Not a bad idea. I imagine that, in time, the trunk might get so big that the metal supports would not be needed."

That was my assumption as well.

lower cordons would work well in most areas..myself I prefer to have my grapes at an easy height to pick so I grow them up over arbors..however..I don't grow them for wine or things like that..just for fresh eating ..do have some ancient vines for juice and jelly though

Here is a pic. Keep in mind the secondary cordons are only 14inches or so long. with spurs every 6-8 inches.

Worth giving it a try.  It could be a problem if you have a very heavy yield.

Do you mean in terms of overall weight? Im trying to keep the cordons short enough to get good fruit but strong enough to withstand weight. I figure worse case is I just thin the fruit back if needed. The central cordon will be supported by free standing rebar...no concrete anchors just in the soil.

I was thinking of training mine on the deck.



On the two main corner posts.  It's mostly in the sun all day and definitely close to home.

How about that ?

Have never grown grape vines before and I'm a bit nervous about it.

I would think that would work.