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Had cancer and beat it with alternative medicine?

 
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I wouldn't use a crockpot for the alcohol though, perhaps let it naturally evaporate, then heat for a while @ 200-225 degrees F to decarboxylate the ingredients making them active. (When one smokes or burns the stuff, the heat naturally decarbs the good stuff. But one must heat the material for oral use if any effect is to be noticed)
 
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I use something called C-HERB for removal of skin cancers and AK caused by too much sun in the past. It is a combination of herbs and mineral salts...containing...water, fiber, black walnut, burdock, white oak bark, mineral salts. It is a very thick black paste. There are instructions for it's use online but I have not looked for a make it at home recipe.
 
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Ran across this while i was tracking another toxoplasmosis thread.
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0064518

Looks legit.

I would consider trying this as a homebrew , just tell the doc you have pinworms....

Looks like it should work with cancers that metastasize, prob not the single hard ones. Try DCA for those.
Different pathways.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/101/23779.html

https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=4030

and it looks like this version is MUCH more soluble as a tablet. Mebendazole is hard to get blood levels up to even 1 mic. Was taken off the market by Teva years ago too...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secnidazole



I would also mix in the boric treatment every third day, but that's just me.... at least it will make you feel more energized.
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm


If it is a brain cancer, it looks like you want to take Mannitol sugar after the Secnidazole has been in your system for at least an hour. Mannitol opens the blood/brain barrier for a half hour only.


Prob craving iron, cuz it appears that cancers may collect it into the cell groups, to have a fallback energy source, in case the cancer is attacked. It goes into hibernation, and cuts off blood flow.


That black cream is most likely a bloodroot based one, but you can't sell those in the states, so is prob not on the label....

Not a doc, just been reading, and trying to find a way to get antimicrobials to the brain, to shut down those pesky t. gondi overlords...
All that info is in the toxoplasmosis thread in the Drivel section.





 
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The knowledge and wiseness of the permies crowd is, as always, amazing and kind. This is an amazing thread. Thank you.

A note to the wise.

Any medication or herb can and will have effects. For example. I am a solid month and a half out on a treatment. I have tapered off to be clean in the last few days. To rest my organs and spirit. Rest. This is also the key. The body is an amazing structure. It needs rest. Toxicity does happen. Just beware.

I lost vision early this month. It is returning slowly to normal. I still feel something much is amiss. But my body is telling me it needs to rest from it all and to be fed. This I can do.

My point. Be educated and listen to your body. Be clean and keep it simple. God, I almost cried when I could feel my insides start to move and flex naturally again. My brain fog clearing up. Some energy coming back. Some,..............
 
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just came across this , could prob use the same setup as is used for transcranial dermal stim, which are pretty easy to get

http://www.cancer-treatment.net/New-Alternative-Cancer-Treatment-Information_Nutshell.htm

Would be cheap, and shouldnt have any side effects, no idea on interactions. Should be able to tell if its working in a week.

They talk about affecting RNA, but could also be an effect on the iron.
 
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Judith Browning wrote:I use something called C-HERB for removal of skin cancers and AK caused by too much sun in the past. It is a combination of herbs and mineral salts...containing...water, fiber, black walnut, burdock, white oak bark, mineral salts. It is a very thick black paste. There are instructions for it's use online but I have not looked for a make it at home recipe.



I am sure what Morgan said is true. There are many names given including "black salve" but brands of similar design include "amazon salve". This stuff is incredibly toxic which is how it kills the body's cells.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cansema

Because it is incredibly toxic it is banned from sale but like Morgan said, chances are the C-HERB has bloodroot as an ingredient but it is not labeled to skirt the law. Its a dangerous treatment because it indiscriminately kills all tissue which I imagine is why its only used topically. Trouble is finding people actually versed in using this ointment because it was discontinued from mainstream medicine more then a century ago and to add current manufacture quality is made-at-home at best so potency is variable by brands. I herd some horror stories a few years ago which started when inexperienced users interested in alternative medicine mishandled application of the black salve. To give a visual impression of potency I found a thread of a woman blogging about her self treatment (link below). Please do not take my mention of these as an endorsement, it is very dangerous when misused!

http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1302


 
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Amedean...thanks for your input...My experience with c-herb is not that in your photos. It takes very small amounts carefully applied and not used for more than two or three days in a row and on nothing very large....it seems to work for me. Lots of mainstream forms of treatment also kill skin cells indiscriminately...I have had areas both frozen and cut out. I think like anything else suggested in this thread everyone should proceed cautiously. This is an interim treatment before I fill a prescription for a creme that sounds much worse to me. I am not dealing with melanoma..these are basal and squamous cell areas.
I would very much like to hear from others who have used c-herb. I haven't heard of the other 'black pastes' mentioned...I am assuming mine is what it says and contains no hidden ingredients given my source and it is ONLY intended to be used externally.
 
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My thoughts.

I feel that healing must come from the inside out. Let the body do its work given proper fuel and rest. Rest. Detox and call me next week should be our mantra of sorts. C-HERB looks and is danerous if used incorrectly. SO are a 1000 carrots ingested. The freedom is choice. Personally I would rather freeze off a piece of flesh than burn it off. Yikes.

Freedom of choice and be educated. Know your dangers and risks. Seek true benefits. The body is an amazing machine.
 
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Hi, Daniel...thanks for your good thoughts... and nice to see your posts popping up again around here:)
 
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Here's an interesting and in a way, ironic site listing the anti-cancer properties of cannabinoids:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

Too bad they consider marijuana schedule 1, meaning no possible medical use. Their own data obviously contradicts this. This is a symptom of allowing politicians dictate drug policy as opposed to letting doctors and medical professionals dictate drug policy.

Here's a link to a non-psychoactive, 50 state legal product that has many if not most of the same benefits of simpson oil/phoenix tears. Note the "hemp oil" they refer to is not hemp seed oil, which is a good thing but completely different; this "hemp oil" is essentially simpson oil made from industrial hemp.

Maybe an enterprising caretaker could perform a simpson-style extraction on the wild hemp that grows throughout the midwest?
 
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Breast milk proteins bound to lipids seem to work , even on metastatic cells.
this is also seen on the liposomal Vit C technique mentioned further up in this thread

http://www.kurzweilai.net/a-new-tumor-killer

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0053051

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAMLET_%28protein_complex%29


It appears the stuff has to be mixed with olive oil, to be effective

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleic_acid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-lactalbumin
 
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Yup, l got some canseema when they were still shipping it out of the Virgin Islands.

Used it this winter on some skin cancer. Worked great, with some caveats. Was going to do a separate write up, but am not good at inserting pics.

Basically, do not use this where skin is not at least a half inch deep. Mine was forearm. seemed like squamous. Dry, scab type surface. Felt like skin below was "knitting" itself tighter.

Do not re-apply once the skin eruption, or the skin around it, starts turning red. I would say not to re-apply at all, on surface eruptions, but not sure about that. only done this once. It really burns on the eruption...

keep surface moist, and out of sunlight. Some folks used vaseline, i just used the waterproof Neo bandages. Then i would wrap arm with paper tape, and VetWrap the whole package for a couple days at a time. Never seemed an infection starting. Showered every day and water didn't seem to make a diff bandage on, or bandage off.

Shave off all your fur on that limb encircling the area, so tape doesn't rip it off. Had best luck with the clear bandages for keeping surface moist.


Don't do this if it if the cells to be spreading. The encircling/ encasing mechanism of this stuff will chase it right across the body. Again , dont do this on thin skin over bone, where there is not enough depth to allow encapsulation. (at least a half inch , i have heard)

And finally, don't do this.



 
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I would highly recommend reading this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3616129/
 
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Not sure if anyone else has posted this yet but check out Rick Simpson "Run from the Cure" on YouTube. Medical cannabis is curing all types of cancers. We treated my good friend's mom who had Melanoma on her nose with an alcohol based medical cannabis tincture twice a day for a month, when she returned to the doctor they freaked out because they were about to do another biopsy and the melanoma had been killed by the tincture and it wasn't a recommended method. I thought the doctor's reaction was ridiculous, I mean the lady cured her own cancer at least be happy for her. Not sure if this helps but I thought it was legit that it worked and me speaking up and telling my friend cured his mom's cancer. Anyways,
Goodluck and Peace.
 
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I heard of Rick Simpson but I have not evaluated his methods enough to form an opinion. I stumbled on his videos a few months ago on youtube at random. Seems interesting but I find it skeptical how so many people claim cure all for cancers. Might even call it wishful but I will keep an open ear for anyone with first hand experience on using his methods.
 
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am cross posting this here, so folks will see it if they use the search function for cancer.
also put under the liposomal cancer thread.

kinda touched on this earlier in the thread, but the folks that did the silver and antibiotics study, have done another that shows that antibiotics disrupt the mitochondria, which messes with the DNA and RNA , and also mucks up the lipid signalling of the sugar layers on the surface of the cell. Then the cells can't signal for apotasis if they do have damaged mRNA.


This is pretty serious folks, if you want more info, check the liposomal Cancer thread, or try cancercured group on Yahoo groups.
http://www.permies.com/t/25771/md/Liposomal-cancer-cures#206654

I am doing lots of research right now, and it appears that you may be able to homemake liposomal citric acid, to restart the Kreb Cycle, and head off the anaerobic conditions that allow cancers to grow, and liposomal silver, to actually kill bad cells. That is standard chemo now, but they use Platinum. Looks like to form liposomes, that hold metals, they first must be mixed with DCA (dicholoracetate thread on site too) Most folks are using liposomal vit c, but that is only half as effective in the Kreb Cycle.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130703160623.htm
 
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I would maybe try TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) and would try to study the medicine Buddha.
 
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I have been using a modified Gerson Therapy with good results. I structured with a parasite cleaning of the body. I am still horrified and amazed what is still coming out of my body. All treatment herbal and affordable.

Then I had to rest my body from all but the food. Then reapply. A learn as you go approach. Lol, the juice of carrots has not killed, maimed or harmed me. What has amazed me is that the constant pain I was in is gone. But once I stopped the therapy it crept back into my life. Then I found a new lump and brain fog came back.

Now, I am not back to square one. I am going forward. Six months ago my blood glucose was between 300-500+. This morning it was at 120. The constant pain in my eyes and the tumor on my eyelid has gone as well as the feeling a worm/worms were crawling behind my eye. I can drive and think clearer. Three months ago I stopped driving as my vision had gotten so bad. That has gone. I drive fine. Funny, my night vision was never affected.

I have to keep my diet very simple. Fruit, veg, no meat to speak of and lots of well water. I had to give up tea. I drink tea I get sicker. But herbal tea and coffee are fine. I found out a lot of tea is moldy. Even heated and brewed properly it can be a problem. Organic if I can afford it. Otherwise as clean as I can find it. I am avoiding plastics and personal care products. Simple natural soap, toothpaste and rose water. Thats it. I spend no money on personal products. I rinse my clothing twice to keep soap residue off me as much as I can. Processed food makes me sick. Now I can smell the additives in most of it.

Simple food, being clean, a lot of rest (a lot), basic herbals and more rest. I am still alive.
 
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Daniel Morse wrote:What has amazed me is that the constant pain I was in is gone.



I wonder if that was related to the inflammation in the body.
 
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i found this. it is about a guy that cured his colon cancer with a vegan diet.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/07/21/man-with-stage-3-colon-cancer-refuses-chemotherapy-cures-himself-with-vegan-diet/
 
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I was diagnosed with Stage 11A colon cancer in June of 2012. Had a tumor removed and part of my ascending colon. Chemotherapy was not recommended, however after the research I had done I realized I would never do it. So I have been doing dietary and herbal supplements. Mostly raw foods, essiac tea, vitamin C. Turmeric, Vitamin D-3. One of the the things I notice missing a lot with healing cancer naturally is the emotional and spiritual component. Our emotions carry huge energetic charge and can affect our cellular and immune system health. This is what I have had to learn through my process and letting go of toxic emotions in my mind/body and embrace the spiritual side of healing energy. I notice this with my clients too..who eat well yet their emotional life is toxic....so it all plays a roll in cancer healing, mind, body and spirit.

Peace and Blessings,
Cheri
http://www.healthy-with-cancer.com
 
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Some people are claiming that dendroterapiya can help in curing early stages of cancer. It works on principle of aura transfer. You can read more about it here : http://www.byebyedoc.com/dendroterapiya-treatment-with-the-energy-of-trees/ .I hope that it helps.
 
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So this has recently been making rounds on the internet and understandably so. Unfortunately the many biased links praising cannabis as the treatment for her leukemia make no mention that she is also being treated with kimo therapy simultaneously. I cant say I understand how well she is progressing and specifically how much is the result of cannabis but I thought this was worth mentioning.

 
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There is no claim about the benefits of ganja too positive, too outlandish or too exaggerated for those who are determined to believe.
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I posted on this thread, how I intend to cure just about everything using Angel Water.

http://www.permies.com/t/10575/md/Cancer-curable-chemical-free-Steve#240607
 
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My husband and I have been following the Gerson Therapy for more then a year now. He was diagnosed with prostate cancer through biopsy prompted by rising PSA. I had colon cancer 9 years ago treated with surgery and Chemo.
The Therapy is based on flooding the body with nutrients and detoxing. Lots of info via movies: Dying to have known, The Gerson Miracle, mentioning in a Food Matters. Also books, website by the Gerson Institute - a non profit to help people who want to heal using the Therapy.
My husbands PSA test results have dropped from above 8 to around 4 ( we still have a year to go on the therapy). I had an intense chemo cleans and we both have experienced lots of overall health improvements.

I am also a member of a Facebook support group started by a person diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer spread to the bones. She is almost cancer free now and her nurse wants to become a Gerson practitioner. It is a closed group , but people who just want to learn about the Therapy are welcome. Most posts are by people who are actually doing the therapy and are sharing their ups and downs and cheering each other on. Many people with healing stories on their. And also some of our friends have passed on. Most who have passed came to Gerson at a very late stage of their disease.
There are also members who use combination of Gerson and conventional medicine and others who found that Gerson didn't work completely for them ( or was just too much work- which it is- a lot) and have moved on to other therapies and found success. Dr. Gonzales is one who also has treated many cancer people successfully.
Kevin of Renegade Health has put on 2 cancer summits. Interviews with leading cancer treatment expert using techniques other than poison. Worth checking out if you need to make a treatment decision. Or wait for the next one and listen free for the time of the summit.
 
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Marianne West wrote:My husband and I have been following the Gerson Therapy for more then a year now. He was diagnosed with prostate cancer through biopsy prompted by rising PSA. I had colon cancer 9 years ago treated with surgery and Chemo.
The Therapy is based on flooding the body with nutrients and detoxing. Lots of info via movies: Dying to have known, The Gerson Miracle, mentioning in a Food Matters. Also books, website by the Gerson Institute - a non profit to help people who want to heal using the Therapy.
My husbands PSA test results have dropped from above 8 to around 4 ( we still have a year to go on the therapy). I had an intense chemo cleans and we both have experienced lots of overall health improvements.

I am also a member of a Facebook support group started by a person diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer spread to the bones. She is almost cancer free now and her nurse wants to become a Gerson practitioner. It is a closed group , but people who just want to learn about the Therapy are welcome. Most posts are by people who are actually doing the therapy and are sharing their ups and downs and cheering each other on. Many people with healing stories on their. And also some of our friends have passed on. Most who have passed came to Gerson at a very late stage of their disease.
There are also members who use combination of Gerson and conventional medicine and others who found that Gerson didn't work completely for them ( or was just too much work- which it is- a lot) and have moved on to other therapies and found success. Dr. Gonzales is one who also has treated many cancer people successfully.
Kevin of Renegade Health has put on 2 cancer summits. Interviews with leading cancer treatment expert using techniques other than poison. Worth checking out if you need to make a treatment decision. Or wait for the next one and listen free for the time of the summit.



Wow, this is exactly the kind of story I was hoping to read about! Thank you for sharing. Can you provide a link to this Facebook group so that I can potentially follow it?
 
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Sure, Amedan. Here is the link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Gersonsupport/
It is a closed group, so you have to request to join. Lots of info there and lots of healing stories.
 
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Fast forward to 1:20:00 for a powerful story of the use of turkey tail mushroom and breast cancer. Thank you Paul Stamets, very powerful.
 
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Google poke berries and read the Quantum Agriculture article. I don't have direct cancer experience, but they dissolved a bone spur and relieved arthritis in 2 months. You should be able to find them dried out in a moist field or edge of woods this time of year.
Best of Luck
 
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Should have also said Poke is suposed to work on lymphoma, breast and prostate cancers.
 
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I merged your stuff with the following thread. I hope that is okay by you.
 
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I have written a Blog/Article about my healing from cancer at this site

http://triumph-over-cancer.weebly.com/






Below is a reprint of my blog.


This is my cancer story after several rounds of chemo and surgery resulted in failure.

My name is Ray, full name Raymond Duncan, American of Scottish Irish immigrants. My grandpa died of intestinal cancer and later I too became afflicted with Colon cancer experiencing abdominal pains & diarrhea.
To me cancer was a struggle like a war inside of me. I imagined cancer as a monster that inhabited me but I always felt this sickness was not a part of me; It was some foreign thing, an alien invader.

But one day I totally got rid of this illness and I won.

However, it was not Modern treatments & Medicines that fixed my cancer. It was other methods.
I was cured and then at Cancer forums, cancer patients that got wind of my story were writing me about my success & wanted more details & info,
They asked“ Can you tell your story?” “Can you share what methods, what strategies you used to beat this illness?”



I can write my story and what I did to win against Cancer.

However, I did not just have Colon cancer, I had a metastasis that went to my lungs. When my lung also got the cancer, sometimes I could feel where it was since it was pressure & pain, it was on the right lung.




My search started and looked over information that was useful for my cancer.




I heard of Ann E. Fonfa, President, Annie Appleseed Project who through her own efforts got healed from cancer.

How did she do it?

Ann got a mix of various treatments and when you get more details it is a whole lot of several anticancer herbs and supplements and it also seems like including Traditional Chinese Medicines – it can be called a cocktail of many, many cancer fighting and anticancer ingredients from plants :& herbs. These was the direction I would follow and do.




So I read information from books and the internet and I would start with changing my nutrition & food.

I made sure that I have enough vitamins & minerals, when one reads about zinc and selenium, these are important for our immune system and many vitamins contribute to keeping us well and helping us.

From my research, I would make sure that I would have certain foods and stuff that contributed to improvement.




Below are my methods for healing:

a mostly vegetarian diet – meats , are avoided, they make cancer grow fast

include Broccoli – contains sulforaphane- anticancer

include red kidney beans & black beans, red cabbage – contains anthocyanins

Chinese tea – anticancer, antioxidant

Turmeric, ginger , galanga & lesser galanga, tomato & tomato sauce - use in many foods that I take




II. Sugar – refrain from sugars – replace with Stevia or artificial sweeteners but use less




III. Things to refrain -Dairy & eggs – keep away or take only small amounts

keep fats at a minimum– most food already contain fats and oils

note: Oils that are good are fish oils & flax seed oils




IV. Alternative remedies I take

Oriel Herb Formula – website below

Nigella sativa oil capsules – available from supplements & internet stores.

Nigella oil is also called Black seed oil or black cumin oil – order the Black Seed by Amazing Herbs(manufacturer) 90 softgel per bottle.

Dose- one softgel for every 75 lbs weight, if one is a fraction above this add one capsule.


Andrographis tablets – this herb is not well known in the U.S. but it

has been in use in Sweden during the winter– available in supplement stores & internet



I found that Nigella sativa contains thymoquinone which is the cancer fighting ingredient- you will find that thymoquinone is good medicine against pancreatic cancer and there are cases of cures. In fact, pancreatic cancer is known to be deadly , it has a high mortality rate compared to other cancers.

When you find a chemical or drug that is good for cancers that are hard to cure then very often that drug will also be good in fighting other cancers and aggressive cancers.



According to the website - Oriel Herb Formula – all 7 ingredients inhibit angiogenesis

http://follownaturesway.com/cancer--oriel-herbs-formula.html



According to my research

Nigella sativa or thymoquinone – targets angiogenesis in cancer.



Oriel Herbs and Nigella together in my experience make a powerful combination and I can even feel some sensations but it was not painful going on with my cancers and felt it as improvement and healing. Several Months later I knew my strategies for healing were heading in the right direction.


I take the andrographis only at night, I believe it works even up to 8 hours.


If people feel it is too strong, they can reduce the dose for the nigella.

In therapy, I believe we should not rush the healing.

When cancer cells die, these are foreign tissues and one should not overdo a good thing. These foreign debris have to be removed but they may bring unpleasantness if these are too much to handle.

My advice is find the right dose, as long as you are healing, keep things at a comfortable level therefore moderation in treatment.



Oriel Herb Formula was recommended from this website

http://waroncancer.tripod.com/


After about 2 months, one may feel significant difference from the start. If it is improvement, then continue and observe further.
If cancer folks are not getting the healing from their present therapy, then I recommend to give this a try or test.

This regimen for healing is simple.






 
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I just finished making 19 pages of notes on Suzanne Somers' book, "Bombshell." No matter whether you liked her in "Three's Company" or thought she was a ditzy blond actress, the woman has the money and clout to seek out the best and interview them. The interviews with m.d.'s who are experiencing great success with alternative treatments for cancer are quite enlightening.

Read what foods support cancers, and what commonly available ingredients promote the disintegration of those cells. The book is packed with "what, why and how" information which anyone who has been diagnosed with cancer or who has a loved one who has, needs to be aware of. Read what common practice is completely killing off the body's ability to get rid of cancerous cells, while at the same time enhancing cancer stem cells which then take over the body, with tragic results.
 
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Also, don't forget the emotional part - Louise Hay books, EFT, Abraham-Hicks processes, Katie Byron's Work, Sedona Method and many other ways, that help to change limiting beliefs and love ourselves, others and life. See, if we are not feeling happy, loved and loving, if we believe that life is hard, then we will be attracted to foods, that will match that vibration. Will power alone won't last long.
From herbal Essiac tea - 4 main herbs are Burdock root(Arctium Lappa), Sheep Sorrel whole plant,including roots (Rumex Acetosells), Slippery Elm (Ulmus Rubra)inner bark, Turkey rubarb root(Rheum Palmatum). Also amygdalin -substance found in apricot, loquat and similar pits - 24 to 40 apricot kernels spread out through the day for treatment and 16 in remission. 45minutes before taking those people take digestive enzymes to help them work better.
And drinking vegetable/green juices and green smoothies. I am sure Gerson therapy works since it is so heavy on juicing and cleanses the colon.
However do not forget emotional part, body can't override the mind.
 
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Lisa Allen wrote:While I absolutely agree with looking over methods of cancer treatment and looking at the evidence, I hope no one is fooled into thinking that conventional techniques are even remotely successful - look up the figures yourself if you have not yet done so. I do not call living in tremendous pain and a severely lowered quality of life for just barely over 5 years a "success" by a long shot - and many die within 2 years. I have not only observed this statistically; it has touched me personally, in my own family and recently a friend my own age who died receiving the chemotherapy too quickly - and this happens way too often for me to be comfortable. Then you consider the financial portion of these therapies to see if it is worth it - and while others might think it is worth it (and that is their right), I do not. That is my value placement, and each person needs to assess their own value placement. No matter what, in any case, information ought to be available and reviewed first prior to such a serious decision.

Cancer is now the number one cause of death in the USA, along with Heart Disease (and more recently, Diabetes). The third cause of death just so happens to be iatrogenic causes, which means doctor-caused! This is by their own admission/figures, so I would imagine that if an independent source was recording and analyzing data, we could even discover that iatrogenic causes are number one (and I believe nearly all chronic diseases are caused or at least perpetuated by doctors "managing" the disease instead of providing cure, especially when they know one is available, and would therefore also classify as an iatrogenic cause).

Along the same lines: for the first time in decades, the number one cause of accidental death is not vehicle accidents - it is errors in prescription drugs! Now I have not yet seen the breakdown of what percentage is doctor error, what percentage is pharmacy error, and/or what percentage is patient error - or even more cynically, using prescription meds illegally (i.e. teenagers getting into their parents' muscle relaxers or depression/anxiety meds, and taking more than prescribed in any case, or weirder, people selling their meds to others), and I understand that a noticeable percentage are even prescribed correctly (we can look at Michael Jackson and Heath Ledger for celebrity cases of this). However, I am still stunned that this has now surpassed vehicle accidents. I do understand that street drugs (including marijuana) were not included in these figures, but I will double-check on that.

While individual doctors could actually care about you, for about 150 years, the AMA (in the USA) actively creates a legal scenario where doctors cannot practice the way they might wish to do so. It is a business and in order to continue to make money with artificially-inflated costs for treatments that basically bring people to the brink of death, they must continue to manipulate the laws so that they keep their competitors at bay, especially if they have methods of actual cure and if they are cost-effective. These competitors are prohibited from practice at steep legal consequences, criminally and financially (thus the reason you may find cancer treatment clinics outside of the USA).

On the note of costs, I realize much of this can be psychological, i.e. "I will pay top dollar for the very best treatment available and if I die and I lose my house so my kids cannot inherit my property; oh well, that was the best that was available." Do not believe it (well, unless you want to believe it). Again, it is about research.

While healthy eating is great, it is my observation that much more help may be needed than that since nearly always, cancer can grow faster than healthy cells are replaced (especially some types of cancers) - and whatever methods are chosen really need to be for that individual, which could be a combination - and there are some wonderful combination therapy clinics in the USA doing wonderful work. In the case of Dr. Hulda Clark, I think many of the things she was doing were good, but I also wonder if she had combined therapies, whether they were conventional or even energetic healing for the subtle bodies (i.e. emotional body, etc.) could have allowed her to live. I guess we won't know. I think of something similar with Steve Jobs as well.

Let me please be clear that I am not about eliminating the choices of conventional treatments. For some people, these methods may really help and they really should be available. There are instances (usually involving trauma or injury) in which I feel their services are invaluable. However, the record undoubtedly shows incompetence of the system (not the doctor, the system) of handling any form of chronic disease and conditions. No amount of titles after their names can change the actual results that happen.

Let me also mention to look carefully at results of other methods you are looking into, which could be harder to track down but worth the effort for your own education and therefore the ability to make better choices.

In hindsight, I didn't mean to write a book here (haha!) - May ALL be empowered with true choice and exercise that right! May the life force flow easily


Very insightful post, Lisa!

Have not been reading the whole thread, these are just a few oppinions of my own.

# Cancer most often is a very slow process and that can accelerate when the body has got enough of being mistreated.
# When cancer is diagnosed the patient wants to get rid of it, preferably yesterday.
# Here's where the profit factor kicks in - although "they" are not the only ones, mainstream medicine may be most heavily involved in quackery. In fact I do my best while I can to stay out of their hands.
# Advanced cancer may need to be approached from several directions. As for the means; there are plenty.
# Changing diet may be far too late to be the game changer on its own. Same counts for chemo and what not.
# As for the patient, often this is the chance to change your life for the better.
# Serious detoxification of the body, including enemas, and the flushing out of organs may be one of the things you HAVE to anyway to avoid cancer to return full strength after any treatment. Permie or not, one may be surprised about all the waste most of us are carrying with us on a daily basis. This fact often occupies the immune system to a degree that opens the door for, amongst many other diseases, cancer.
# A good diet is another thing the patient can do himself and start today. You don't need cancer to change diet btw. The importance of enzymes and healthy gut flora is not to be underestimated if you want a minimum of return for the dietary changes you make.
# Hulda Clark had to die herself sooner or later. This does not take away the fact that worms and other intestinal infections is an issue of proportions for most today, also in the western world. Critters do add tremendously to toxic load (as does chemo), and malnutrition problems.
# There are many snake oils available that are less toxic than chemo, or even non toxic. Chemo may be the worst snake oil of all snake oils. I do not know which snake oils to recommend but they are likely to do a much better job IF the above issues are being dealt with as well.
# Running out of focus here but if there is no doctor to save your butt then you may have to try yourself. Use whatever snake oil that is available to you whereever you are and can afford and get going. Cancer is an invitation to the cleansing and progress of mind, body and soul. Stop understanding it as being a disease because that's where the fear/profit factor kicks in.

Sorry if I did repeat anyones elses dogma. Keep well.


 
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