reports of beating cancer in a week

great thread and I hope it continues. I have a friend who has "survived" colon cancer for six years by having 5 surgeries and 4 rounds of chemo. Her high deductible HSA gets maxed out usually by the end of January every year. To her, modern medicine is a miracle. It's astonishing to me the amount of suffering a person will endure without even considering changing their diet or lifestyle. two years ago I was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes and handed a bottle of metformin and told that we could start insulin in a few months if that didn't help. i went to the library and online and had "reversed" the condition by my 6 month follow up. I've since lost almost 100 lbs.. hm. anyway, i'd just like to say, with the right attitude and perseverance many of these conditions can be ameliorated or cured, and if they don't help one would not have to die wondering if they'd done all they could. To my friend, a "gut healing protocol" sounds like silly new age hokum. my 2 cents.

also, back to the parasite discussion, there is a terrific book called An Epidemic of Absence by Moises Velasquez-Manoff which addresses the "hygiene hypothesis" of modern illness. Fodder for thought at least and an excellent read even for non-science-y types

An Epidemic of Absence by Moises Velasquez-Manoff

I listened to an interview with an author who has studied those who beat cancer with alternative methods:

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2014/07/26/955-surviving-cancer-against-all-odds/

Note: the link above will only work for a couple of months, if anyone has skillz for saving streaming audio, please use them and share with us!

I subscribe to the People's Pharmacy podcast but sometimes I get behind in listening to them. This podcast was broadcast on July 26, 2014. It's an interview with Kelly Turner, who wrote a book about the people who have miraculous recoveries from what is supposed to be terminal cancer. Some people do a toxinectomy, some start meditating, some use herbs, Chinese or otherwise. Many do several things to improve their health and their immune system so as to fight the cancer.

The author has a website: http://www.radicalremission.com The blog has story after story of people who either tried conventional medicine first, then alternative, or who tried alternative treatments first and they worked. Interesting.

Julia Winter wrote:I listened to an interview with an author who has studied those who beat cancer with alternative methods:

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2014/07/26/955-surviving-cancer-against-all-odds/

Note: the link above will only work for a couple of months, if anyone has skillz for saving streaming audio, please use them and share with us!

Julia - no need to capture the stream. Just download the mp3 here: http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/PP-955cancerremission.mp3

I've already listened to it, I'm subscribed via iTunes so I've downloaded the mp3. It's just that they only make the mp3 available for a limited amount of time, and then they want you to buy it (for $2.99, not terrible). I'm thinking about people who come across this link a year from now.

Turmeric , azalea bush , spear mint , and honey

Grinded together

Age old remedy for cancer

Love you all,

Joel Hollingsworth wrote:
I read as much as I could stomach of one of Hulda's cancer books, this one published under the name Clark.  It took a basic technology (the radio) with complicated science that scares most people, and applied it to a frightening problem that is extremely complicated (cancer), and reported that the whole problem was solved.  Its interpretation of that process was highly suspect for two or three reasons.

For example, she claims that each species emits its own characteristic frequency of radio wave.

You could say that she had some unique combination of equipment and skill that allowed her to obtain results that no one else could, but she could share this technology if it existed, and I am entirely convinced that she has no unique expertise.  A friend and former colleague of mine was on a team that built the world's least-noisy radio reciever to search for dark matter.  A significant part of the experiment was identifying and tuning out all explainable signals: cell phones, AM and FM and shortwave broadcasting, sattelite transmissions, the 60 hz signal from the US power grid, etc.  There was nothing much left. If Hulda's theory were correct, there would have been a signal from the operator whenever he entered the room, and another from each strain of lactobacilli and e. coli on his skin and in his gut; the lactobacilli in his fingerprints would keep emitting after he left the room.  There would have been anomalous signals from dust mites, and from worms burrowing in the soil overhead.  No such signals were observed.  They would have been published as evidence of dark matter, of course...but I digress.

An example of internally inconsistent logic: The book claims that pulses of radio waves applied to the body using electrodes kill the parasites responsible (in her opinion) for cancer.  Unfortunately, says she, the parasites have parasites of their own, which burrow out of the dead bodies after treatment: the treatment doesn't penetrate through the outer parasites, and so to get three or four layers down, you need repeated treatments at particular intervals. She is right to notice that living things are electrically conductive, and this conductivity can shield the contents of a living thing from some sorts of electromagnetic radiation, but how does she imagine waves reach inside of a person, if they can't reach inside of a notional fluke?

The stuff on herbs was not the focus of the edition I read.  The book I saw centered on radio waves that cannot penetrate a living thing, zapping histology-proof parasites within a living thing.

Joel, I had vaguely heard of this book once before but I had no idea what it was about nor who this person was.

I found what you said to be very interesting, she does sound like a quack in some of the things she said but others have me thinking... like how she would not have other independent researchers test out her work. I have a theory why that is.

She was simply taking the work of Royal Rife (an early 20th century scientist) and calling it her own while embellishing on some things (like cancer being from parasites.) Perhaps others in the alternative cancer treatment world would had been able to call her out for her plagiarism of Rife. Maybe she didn’t even create her own machine and just bought one to use on patients?

A bit on Rife: he is said to have invented a ‘cancer curing machine’ that sounds similar to what you described. People of his time were skeptical because he was a physicist and not a medical professional.
I found out about him from a physicist friend of mine who sent me this article: http://www.royal-rife.com/

I talked to my friend about it and he said, scientifically, it definitely is sound. It’s a WEIRD idea, taking a jump out from everything we know medically and giving physics/frequencies the possibility to ‘cure cancer’. An idea most people would not have even fathomed! (Rife successfully cured certain cancers but not all types)

If you read the article I linked, it gives some explanations for why we as a society do not use this technology. Rife was speaking with the medical community but of course the powers that be saw how his device would put them out of the cancer industry... one we know to be a huge profit monster, especially now. They started to attack him, He fled the country, and his partner that maintained a practice curing people in America was killed.

Needless to say, it’s not profitable to the same scale as modern chemo. At least, not to the medical world. It would had been SUPER profitable for Rife if he did not find himself on the wrong side of the bureaucracy.

Now, you can take this with a grain of salt but I trust my friend knows his stuff and if he says it’s logically sound I’m game for at least trying it out if I got cancer (well, one of the cancers the machine can treat)
You can buy a Rife machine from some odd websites here and there online. They look odd, but I’m sure so did the lightbulb when it was first discovered.
(I have never used one nor do I know anyone who has successfully used one)

I  find it interesting that Hulda died from cancer.

That's funny this thread started 10 years back was refering to parasites as an hypothetical cause for cancer, and seeing all the current craze about an antiparasitic drug (Fenbendazole) which work wonder against all kind of cancers and tumors.
You guys were right about the parasite route.
Ivermectine, which is also a cheap antiparasitic drug, has strong effect to kill cancerous cells.
Parasites are also suspected to cause many other serious deseases, so I guess antiparasitic drugs should be the first drug one try when they are hit with this kind of deseases

I'm bookmarking and planning to read this whole thread, as cancer is the #2 killer, but this is my contribution (Actually, Edward G. Griffin's): World Without Cancer:  
That documentary adaptation of the book is excellent for those short of time, but find the book if you can to learn more, especially the politics behind the promotion of cancer, which takes up over half of the book.

Fascinating thread, thanks everybody who shared really thought-provoking theories and research plus those invaluable anecdotal reports. I bookmarked lots of stuff and have plenty to keep me reading and listening for a while.

Anecdotal data has been seriously villified in today's climate. So have natural remedy "quacks", which is hard to believe when the only legal treatment for cancer (in the U.S., at least) has as low as a 2 percent success rate. I don't know what it is in the human makeup that allows us to keep trusting heroes who are plainly screwing us over. I also don't understand why any non-modern treatment option is continually referred to as "alternative" when the modern medical establishment has only been around for ~100 years and by the numbers is obviously not helping us thaat much. But here I go getting myself into hot water.

I wonder what would happen if people went back to trusting their bodies and simply nourishing them, instead of viewing them as a flawed system that constantly needs something to be killed off or cleansed away. Of course nourishing foods have now been made luxury foods based on cost, it is an act of privilege to consume non-adulterated single-ingredient foods these days. Even having enough land to grow a tiny garden or have a few chickens means that you have at least a middle-class income.

This is why I think that the concepts of barter/exchange and foraging are so important. Even for an inner-city apartment dweller, it might be possible to forage dandelion or nettle off the roadside, or create a work exchange where a small amount of time each week is traded for veggies or eggs. Of course for some, even this level of involvement is difficult in today's keep-your-head-above-water financial grind. This raises another important thought, which is, what effect do modern amounts of stress have on our health? Can someone who lives in work-stress mode 24/7 even be expected to not die of cancer or heart disease? It makes you wonder if part of the curative effect of these widely varied successful natural cancer treatments, is simply the act of focusing on health and on self for a while. Of putting yourself into a rather meditative, self-loving state while juicing veggies or preparing herbal concoctions. Of tasting new flavors and believing that what you consume has some healing value.

Call it oogly-boogly (as my husband does LOL) but I think there is some value here, both for preventative as well as curative medicine. Just my thoughts.

Marie Abell wrote: Call it oogly-boogly (as my husband does LOL) but I think there is some value here, both for preventative as well as curative medicine. Just my thoughts.

I have never heard of “oogly-boogly” before, but if that’s oogly-boogly then I am a big fan!

A friend is in stage 4.  He did the math and discovered that the survival rate with treatment is the same as without.  So he is seeking purely alternative stuff.  I made a few suggestions a few months ago, and he found some value in about 10% of it.  As the months passed, he's been doing his own research and ...   about two weeks ago I pointed out that one of his supplements contained aspartame.  At first he said "no it doesn't" and then when he saw that it did, he did his own research on aspartame.  He dropped that supplement.  And then because I mention pooless stuff a lot, he did the research and tried that.  He likes it.  I said

Glad to hear you are going pooless.  I think that will add 8% overall
to your efforts.  Most people report feeling better and healthier in
one week.  And the deodorant thing can take a month.

I bet I can come up with 12 more suggestions like that.  But all
together they will sound crazy.  Just like pooless sounds a bit crazy
at first.  But after toying with the idea for a few years, it sounds
less and less crazy.

He asked for all 12.   So, on the fly, I dumped out this list in a quick email:

1. did you watch those two movies i suggested?  Did you listen to the
podcasts that go with them?

2. organic, organic, organic.  If you do the research, you will
quickly be on board.  It is pretty much impossible to get to 100%
organic.  But if you get to 80% organic, you will probably start to
appreciate the benefits.

3. As long as it rains in xxxx [your city], most of the toxic gick in the air is
being washed away.  But when it gets dry - go someplace with cleaner
air.

4.  Zero CFLs.  LED is good for night lights and flashlights -
anything temporary.  But for long term lighting, get incandescent.

5. your house and a lot of your furniture are off-gassing, but I
suspect that it is down to less than 1% of what it once was.  No
biggie.  I suspect that your camper is 50x worse.  For staying in your
house, and even more so in your camper, I would super pressure you in
keeping ALL the windows open.

6.  If you drink coffee: https://amzn.to/3vIaAyN

7: watch the movie "chemerical".  Then read this short ebook.
https://permies.com/t/edible-clean

8: watch the movie "stink!"

9: shower with non-chlorinated water

10: http://www.richsoil.com/permaculture/1896-194-surviving-cancer/

11: avoid touching toxic gick or breathing in the fumes of toxic gick
- like mechanicing.  Consider the fuel and the exhaust to be 100 times
worse for you than other people and treat it appropriately.  [...]  Take precautions.

12:  when you get grease or oil on you, you have to get it off.  You
probably use "goop" or dawn dish soap because it is so effective.   I
suggest trying this stuff:  https://amzn.to/3b6ecmp  It won't be as
effective, so you will use more of it.  At the same time, as crazy as
this sounds, try to use the least amount to get the job done.

1. the movies:  

    - a beautiful truth
    - the food cure

Rebecca Blake wrote:

Marie Abell wrote: Call it oogly-boogly (as my husband does LOL) but I think there is some value here, both for preventative as well as curative medicine. Just my thoughts.

I have never heard of “oogly-boogly” before, but if that’s oogly-boogly then I am a big fan!

Haha! It's a joke around here now, when I start mentioning subjects like energy healing or talking to plants...the least "scientifically proveable" of the many new subjects I've been obsessed with lately 😝

paul wheaton wrote:
2. organic, organic, organic.  If you do the research, you will
quickly be on board.  It is pretty much impossible to get to 100%
organic.  But if you get to 80% organic, you will probably start to
appreciate the benefits.

Paul, by organic, do you mean USDA certified? Or a different definition? My research indicates that the USDA certification means very little in regards to clean farming practices or other positive elements of good food production--it seems to be just another loophole that allows certain producers to charge a lot more for what they grow. For example, USDA certified growers are allowed to use "natural" pesticides like pyrethrins, sulphates, and nicotine, in unlimited amounts, which obviously could end up being just as toxic as smaller amounts of synthetic pesticides. Toxins are toxins, if you ask me.

Just thought it might be a useful clarification, or maybe you know something I don't on the subject.

I think most people (80% or more) are barely grasping what USDA organic is and that there is much difference.  

In order to understand the nuances you suggest, I think a person would need to at least get to the point that they have been consuming a 60% USDA organic diet for at least a month.

I think I've got you now. Something akin to showing evidence that special-interests lobbying is corrupt, then letting that settle and later stating your case that everything shown in the X-Files is actually true. (😉) A kind of stepdown program, if you will. Instead of jumping into someone's life and going straight for the home run right at first.

Marie Abell wrote:...... and later stating your case that everything shown in the X-Files is actually true. (😉).

Well.....at least the 'Bambi Berenbaum' episode!

Marie Abell wrote:..... A kind of stepdown program, if you will. Instead of jumping into someone's life and going straight for the home run right at first.

Yes,.....too much shock all at once otherwise.  True for changing mindset along with changing body physiology.  Both need time to re-adjust to a new paradigm.  Question:  Has anyone ever compared the cancer rates between indigenous tribes and their counterparts no longer living their traditional lifestyle for cancer incidence?  As just about any of what is left of these tribes will have representatives with similar genetic background living somewhere in an industrialized setting/lifestyle, this latter group would be best for the comparison so that one is not just comparing apples to oranges.

John Weiland wrote:

Marie Abell wrote:...... and later stating your case that everything shown in the X-Files is actually true. (😉).

Well.....at least the 'Bambi Berenbaum' episode!

Agreed!! I knew I'd find a lurking X-files fan around here somewhere 😜

John Weiland wrote:Question:  Has anyone ever compared the cancer rates between indigenous tribes and their counterparts no longer living their traditional lifestyle for cancer incidence?

Was also hoping someone might have a good answer to this question. I would love to see a good study done on this, especially if they included factors like the effects of lifestyle pace and worldview on general health. The closest thing to a study like this that I know of is the work of Weston. A. Price, but he mainly focused on the health of ancient native cultures vs. modern peoples, and didn't have that many opportunities to compare the same genetic groups living distinct lifestyles. Dr. Price did refer to cancer, heart disease, and autoimmune diseases as "modern diseases", and barely saw any incidence of these conditions when people were following a traditional diet and lifestyle. I remember one incident he recorded where he saw an eskimo grandmother living the traditional lifestyle, in excellent health at an advanced age, with healthy teeth and good bone structure and no indication of any illness. Her daughter and grandchildren who were living a modernized lifestyle, had poor dental conformation with lots of cavities and were constantly sick.

I know a lot of people follow the WAP doctrine religiously, and I don't really agree with following any single ideology that devotedly. I prefer to learn from everything but ultimately put the puzzle pieces together for myself based on my experience. In any case I have learned a lot from Dr. Price's writings and the WAPF website has lots of useful resources. I found this page in particular full of fascinating ancient diets and lifestyles, many of which are still practiced in the modern day: https://www.westonaprice.org/traditional-diets/

paul wheaton wrote:A friend is in stage 4.  ...

In addition to the things mentioned, if I had a friend with cancer, I would send him to this link: My cancer story rocks  In fact, I'm on the protocol myself right now.  The man used a chemical, fenben, in addition to several natural supplements.  I know, it has a chemical in it that people here may not approve of, but if my friend was dying, I would want him to try it (obviously, since I am doing it myself).  The site explains what happened and the process for a man that was written off by the medical establishment, and he is still alive and thriving.

I'll have more to report on my own situation, good or bad, soon enough.

Trace Oswald wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:A friend is in stage 4.  ...

In addition to the things mentioned, if I had a friend with cancer, I would send him to this link: My cancer story rocks  In fact, I'm on the protocol myself right now.  The man used a chemical, fenben, in addition to several natural supplements.  I know, it has a chemical in it that people here may not approve of, but if my friend was dying, I would want him to try it (obviously, since I am doing it myself).  The site explains what happened and the process for a man that was written off by the medical establishment, and he is still alive and thriving.

I'll have more to report on my own situation, good or bad, soon enough.

Best of luck to you Trace!

Rebecca Blake wrote:

Trace Oswald wrote:

paul wheaton wrote:A friend is in stage 4.  ...

In addition to the things mentioned, if I had a friend with cancer, I would send him to this link: My cancer story rocks  In fact, I'm on the protocol myself right now.  The man used a chemical, fenben, in addition to several natural supplements.  I know, it has a chemical in it that people here may not approve of, but if my friend was dying, I would want him to try it (obviously, since I am doing it myself).  The site explains what happened and the process for a man that was written off by the medical establishment, and he is still alive and thriving.

I'll have more to report on my own situation, good or bad, soon enough.

Best of luck to you Trace!

Thanks Rebecca.  Nothing I'm too concerned about yet.

paul wheaton wrote:I spent halloween visiting friends.   A couple.  The fella told me about how he had a growth appear on his forehead.   Somebody pointed it out to him and said it was most certainly cancer.    The same person said to look into this black goo - it apparently beats skin cancer.
My friend tried it and the cancer-looking thing shriveled up and fell off. 
Later I wrote to him and asked what it is called.  He said "black salve, from Herbal Plus."  He also said that they make pills for other kinds of cancer.

There was a black stuff going around that was essentially a flesh eating alkaline that  kept eating skin and tissue causing severe scarring.  Not very good.
There is some great information above.  As a thinking ex-health professional, the think I have found highly disappointing is when people overstate their findings/ results/ success, no matter whether they are using traditional western medicine model, traditional eastern model or first nations medicine. My personal belief is that the truth lies in there but it may be a mix of various modalities.  Each of us will respond differently to different mixes of food, herbs, chemotherapy and radiation.  We also have to consider the belief systems and the metaphysical state.  To my mind, no one is wrong and no one is right or we would have the solution.

One area of significant research with promise is the adrenal-corticoid effects of stress.  If we can de-stress, it is likely that our risk of autoimmune disease and stress related cancers will decrease.   The other area is the production of gut flora on physical and mental health.  There is also causes by genetic mutation and infection/ chronic irritation.  It is a complex system to have a one stop solution.