"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
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John Polk wrote:
Joel Salatin is best known for his profitable animal production, but his genius is in marketing, not the product. A good read, from a business point of view, regardless if you are growing cattle or lettuce.
And by-the-way, to use BBC code, use [], [/] not <>, </> (hopefully, that will "print".)
EDITed to add: Yippee! It printed. (I didn't confuse the software.)
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
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"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
tribalwind wrote:
another important point for the veg's among us is that ORGANIC does not equal VEGANIC... its not permaculture nor cruelty-free as they still bring in blood meal and bone meal for fertilizers.
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"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
RusticBohemian wrote:
So I'm curious to know if any of Joel's books will be of use to someone who is interested in making money from fruits, vegetables, nuts, wood, and other harvested commodities.
Paracelsus wrote:
Check it out:
http://www.chelseagreen.com/bookstore/item/growing_green:paperback
Dave Bennett wrote:
I find it interesting that some seem to think having animals is a bad thing.
Idle dreamer
I know that was the reasoning but I find it funny because technically "bugs" are animals too.H Ludi Tyler wrote:
I think those tend to be animal rights advocates and/or vegans.
Personally I think it is possible to depend on the help and products of animals and still have great regard for them.
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
Dave Bennett wrote:
I know that was the reasoning but I find it funny because technically "bugs" are animals too.
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I was questioning the reasoning for such a certification. Why is there a "stock free certification?" The concept makes little sense to me.Burra Maluca wrote:
I think the certification is 'stock free', not 'animal free' or 'bug free'.
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
Dave Bennett wrote:
I was questioning the reasoning for such a certification. Why is there a "stock free certification?" The concept makes little sense to me.
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"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
mairghead wrote:
I love the Ecology Action people. http://www.growbiointensive.org/ Their biointensive gardening works really well for me.
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"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
Kathleen Sanderson wrote:
Not trying to start an argument here, just curious, but there are two statements that have been made on this thread that I don't understand and wonder if someone would be able to explain.
First, the 'cruelty-free' argument for not using blood meal or bone meal? People refusing to buy those things isn't going to stop cattle being slaughtered; using them is using things that would otherwise go to waste. So why not use them? (I don't buy either, but I have plenty of manure from my animals for my garden.)
Kathleen
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I owned a herd share for a while so I could get Raw Milk but it was too difficult to keep driving 50 miles one way to meet the truck from the farm so I stopped using dairy products and switched to using nut milk. I eat animals, humans are omnivores. I do not eat animal products from CAFO's ever. I like goat meat too. Some goats are just naturally meat producers rather than for dairy, some are good as a dual purpose animal. I do not have a farm or even enough of a yard to keep my rabbits outdoors but if it becomes difficult to find food to buy anywhere or we have an economic meltdown and hyperinflation takes over I am ready to at least have some food to eat and share with some of my neighbors too. There are a few of us "Guerrilla Farmers" in the area that we can trade what we produce with other for a more rounded diet. I am sorry that you are experiencing dietary difficulties with dairy products.tribalwind wrote:
its pretty simple and obvious to me that by buying these things we are supporting and condonging the slaughter and confinement of animals in cruel and torturous conditions.... vote/protest with your dollars and boycott them.
if one chooses not to eat meat for moral or ethical objections, why then woul that person buy products that are the result of these practicesit would be comepletely hypocritical. thats my take on it.
as for the goats and chickens you make good points and i'd be cool doing that..i'm not cool with killing them afterwards is all. ive had goats milk/cheese and liked it,though i am trying to cut all dairy out of my diet for health reasons.(cheese being my toughest struggle!) actually ethical as well,as i dont have access to small,family farm dairy..main dairy industry is equally revolting as beef etc.
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
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tribalwind wrote:
yep when i'm at home i make a gallon of nutmilk every few days (normally raw-almonds, i get them bulk 20#s for $60 shipped from san juaquin california) ive made raw nut cheeses too and liek them but its not quite the same,being from NY it's hard to imagine life without pizza,ever again.
i dont have any actual physical ailments from eating dairy like lactose intolerance etc, jsut think its healthier overall to avoid it,if youre living in the country raising your own or getting from someone who does i think its a lot less unhealthy than what i can get at a store.
i do notice that when i've been able to get completely off dairy that i am never stuffed up,mucousy,phlegmy,and have no inflamed sinus passages etc, which is great since i play and make ethnic wind instruments!.
im told got milk doesn't have the protein casein like cow does, id otn know if that alone would make a difference with the respiratory/sinus stuff..many people i talk to have noticed the same minor symptoms from dairy that i do.
many of us know that there are other arguments against dairy out there like why would a human suck a cows udder , or that no other animal drinks milk past the weening stage but im not trying to debate all that here! .to ech their own
anyway,this thread is starting to get hijacked/off-topic.
so does anyone here know if it is true or not that Joel does in fact import some feed or other inputs in the winter or other times of the year ? if so is that still sustainable/permaculture really ? if not,where did this rumor come from ?
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
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Too many AK-47's in Belize for me LOL. I may be moving back to upstate NY. That is part of what this trip is all about. I am not thrilled with readjusting to snow up to my ass but Va. has nothing to keep me here any longer except for shorter winter. I have an a possibility of utilizing most of 50 acres for permaculture.tribalwind wrote:
Thank you dave'
yes , i noticed most if not all the more popular succesful permaculture models seem to get a good deal of revenue from tours of the farm as well as teaching/speaking engagements. joel and sepp are 2 good examples (though i think sepp is leaps and bounds ahead in PC and more in the direction i aspire to. .. i too loved raw milk/cheese when ive had it,, had it every day living in romania for over a year,no stuffiness too that i recall,but that was in 94'.
im with you on living locale. i live 30 mins east of manhattan in suburbia, it has its charms and benefits,but im done with it for long time now...
i'd love to own/share a few acres around asheville NC or similar area. maybe an covillage of some sort.
im in Bolivia now (til next fri,since may) and have come across a few amazing places here i could definitely call home for at least part of the year,with the other half or 3rd being stateside, felt the same while in Belize and parts of the Caribbean , i love the tropics.
"When there is no life in the soil it is just dirt."
"MagicDave"
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