... Where the concern in my opinion comes in is editing in this format. So much of permaculture information is debatable; this is why we even have a forum. Who do you get to edit the wiki, how do you police the editorial staff, and most immediately are you going to be able to raise enough money to pay for an editorial staff. It seems like a self policing community based on such wide ranging ideas could be very unpredictable and the last thing you want to do is dissiminate incorrect of inconclusive information.
I think that you are on the right track to getting out important information to the masses but unfortuanately 3 pages of forum jargon is not enough to support a well oiled "company". I will be the first one to throw in what short supply of funds I have to make this a reality, but more reasearch into what it would take to make this a solid practical documentation is definitely needed.
"saskia" wrote:It therefore seems clear to me that the direction to take this in is a wiki with a format like the PDC course, with a program to follow from A-Z.
This doesn't exclude that once the complete program is online various other uses are possible, for instance a database, keyword searches, links to articles on various subjects, etc.
"saskia" wrote:I don't think a paid editors' team is a reality in the beginning stages. Neither do I think one is necessary now.
"saskia" wrote:The structure must be set up in such a way that we separate all the levels of information and make it clear what is fact and what is conjecture.
Speaking of hosting, the cheapest that I've found (that professes to use renewable energy to power it's servers) is £30 a year for it's smallest package. A domain name might cost anywhere between £10 and £20 for two years.
We just need to decide on what the domain will be. Options that I've come across include:
The structure for the wiki pages that you propose looks good to me and would appear to address the issue brought up by regretsHD nicely. It strikes me as being an easy format to regulate/edit/update as well.
Dan Poole wrote:
One thought I had is that it would be nice to have a list of necessary inputs for a certain design component and the produced outputs. For example: chickens.
Inputs - food, water, etc......
Outputs - manure, eggs, eats pests, etc...
Its easy for people to add to these lists, and list elements can be linked to their own pages if appropriate.
The question seems to be what sort of information are we trying to store and how best to store it and make it searchable if need be.
paul wheaton wrote:
I am totally cool with you guys doing your thing there. Just don't make it the only thing. When Jami and I put all that time into getting the software running, it was with the idea that there could be a summary on some topic that was born from some huge thread. I really like that idea. In fact, some people reading this thread might like to do that at the same time. The wiki should be able to hold all of that. And there is a page there about missoula that I would like to keep and tinker with myself.
paul wheaton wrote:
Oh, and I know I've said this three times already, but just to be clear: the publisher has the final say. There are a few things I don't want on my site. Those of you that have been here a while probably know what those things are and that is probably perfectly aligned with what your stuff (or you probably wouldn't still be hanging out here).
Dan Poole wrote:
The main barrier to the wiki being something useful seems to be getting people to contribute to it. Maybe if it had a more obvious link on the main page?
Paul, I have no problem with you having the final say on content, but it would be very helpful if you could provide a (non exhaustive) list. We could then incorporate this into the guidelines for the wiki and you could add to it as you see fit?
Dan Poole wrote:
So we have a login that Paul gave for general wiki editing, but would it be possible for everyone to just use their forum name and password for the wiki too? I tried mine and it didn't work. I know it might be a thing that's easy to say, but not so easy to implement, but it could ease contributing to the wiki, making the chance of success higher.
Also, might it allow the ability to track who changed/added what?
saskia Hatfield wrote:
A member on the previous thread where this whole discussion originated (permaculture and money) said he had posted on appropedia, but I saw that his contributions had promptly been removed by the people who felt themselves "in charge" of those pages, so I don't know at this point whether appropedia is a good idea. You will of course always run into people who feel they own a topic and are extremely protective of it...
winsol3 Hatfield wrote:You're right Paul... a few days after i posted on Appropedia (community microgrids) i got a personal note (imagine getting that at Wikipi ) and asked me to move my stuff over to
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