Andrew Ash

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Isn't that a maple?
12 years ago
If it's not too late to make suggestions, what about the Goumi?
I heard about it from these guys, who are up in the panhandle. From what I've heard, it's a nitrogen-fixating fruiting bush, with fruits which are high in vitamins A, C, and E, though are incredibly tart until completely ripe, and which are absolutely LOVED by birds. Descriptions of flavor seem to always compare it to a tart pie cherry.

Some interesting trees you could look into is the Honey Locust, which bears seed pods with a sweet, edible pulp inside, or the Black Locust, which I've heard has extremely long-lasting, rot-resistant wood, bears profuse flowers which makes great honey, and, from what I've heard, the seed pods are a good high-protein fodder for goats. Both, however, naturally grow thorns along their trunks, which can be a good or bad thing, depending on how you look at it.

These guys goumis and honeylocusts in bulk, plus more:
http://lawyernursery.com/productinfo.aspx?productSpecies=Elaeagnus%20multiflora&categoryid=155
http://lawyernursery.com/productinfo.aspx?productSpecies=Gleditsia%20triacanthos%20%27Inermis%27&categoryid=201
12 years ago

Brenda Groth wrote:seems like some of you entrepeneurs out there should be able to find a way to mass produce and sell the stuff?



This is a wonderful idea, which I really wish I could do, and would be willing to make happen... But I just don't know how to acquire the capital for it...


I haven't found mention of whether the bones need to be raw or not. Does anyone know?



I don't see why it would really matter. Unless the bones were used for stock, in which case most of the stuff that'll turn nasty has probably been cooked out.
12 years ago

Nick Garbarino wrote:So, this revised plant list was downloaded 16 times in less than 2 days, yet no feedback. I could use more deep rooted nutrient accumulator/mulch plants in this design. Any suggestions?



For deep-rooted accumulators, I've heard of chard and beets, sunn hemp, carrot, burdock... Probably any kind of tree or bush would probably be a good deep-rooted nutrient accumulator as well. Nitrogen fixating trees and bushes tend to be good for that, from what I've heard. A few that I've heard about, but haven't really researched much into, are alder, poplar, cottonwood, locusts (notably honeylocust), and acacia, so you have some names to look into...
12 years ago

Matt Smith wrote:

Troy Rhodes wrote: Why would the state care if I want to sell you a bush or a tree and you want to buy it?

You really have to be licensed to sell bushes?

I seriously want to know why.

Finest regards,

troy



The same reason the state cares about all the other stuff it has no business caring about... because they figure they can charge you for it.



Probably something more like this...
12 years ago
I forgot that summer is the rainy season here in florida...
And I forgot just how much it rains during the rainy season.

If things continue like this, I might actually be able to start much sooner then anticipated...
This might actually be the best time to charge up the wood with water, but I have a bunch of seeds already in the ground, so I'm going to just wait for those to reach fruition first... I suppose I could plant some of the perennials, though...

Oh and btw, now that you mention it, we are indeed inundated with beneficial bugs here, so the flowers probably will be unnecessary...
Don't see how they could hurt, though.

I am a bit concerned about Japanese beetles, though... I almost can't go digging anywhere around here without digging up these big grub things, which look exactly like Japanese beetle larvae...

EDIT: Also, would it be a good idea to amend my soil with minerals? And if so, what are some cheap or free alternatives for them? I had the idea of using horse mineral, (google it) since they can be pretty cheap, but I'm concerned about how much salt they put in it...
12 years ago
Hmmm... Okay...

I don't think I have access to green grass clippings, but I guess I could ask around the neighborhood... I might try doing it with just brown mulch, though...

Now, I just have to wait, wait for summer to end, wait for my brother to stop being a stingy dic- ... doo-doo head with our money, wait for transportation to actually get all this mulch... And the plants as well, though I'll probably mail-order them all...
12 years ago
Well... What i was thinking, was basically large-scale hugelculture of the entirety of the upper field. Perennials would then be planted into it after it's had a bit of time to decompose, especially the goumi, with various other plants filling in various other roles.

However, you do bring up a few good points I hadn't thought of... Such as the massive bug problem having such a large amount of leaves and mulch everywhere would cause.
Thinking about what I keep finding in my compost heaps... I think you may be right that it's not the best way to go. Though, perhaps I could get away with it by putting a greater emphasis on beneficial insect attraction? Honestly, I don't know much about my local ecosystem, unfortunately... I could ask some people, but I don't know...

And you're probably right about just not finding the right variety. I haven't really tried many raw...

Also, thanks for the tip about the forest. That's definitely a major consideration on my property... Though, I think it's also an unavoidable one, given how much space I have, and how large the trees are around here... Probably best to just deal with the roots.
Also, I'll probably end up over-head watering for the most part, just cuz that's the only way I know how to use water catchment systems without spending more money.
12 years ago
Hey, bummer about the message... :/

Also, yea, we have our own well, but I never like using water from there unless I have absolutely no alternative... I guess it is recharged whenever it rains, but I've never really looked into how the aquifer works here, so I have only a basic understanding...
I'd much rather use rain catchment systems and LOTS of mulch, and also recycled water from the shower and sink, but I have none of those set up... yet.

And I agree with you on pretty much everything you just said, lol. It's hot here, even when surrounded by pretty heavy woods, and if anything can shade the ground even a little bit I'm all for it!
When a friend came over by my mom's request, I was just writhing inside, and could feel an almost immediate increase in temperature in certain areas... Might've just been the suddenly increasing temperatures lately, though.

And yes, horse manure does sprout weeds, though the horses I'm taking it from don't eat many green plants, so it's mostly free of seed.

Looking into that edible food project... From my initial look into it I, strongly, approve.
12 years ago
I keep thinking about this, and I'm thinking of turning this into the first succession (and the outer edge) of a food forest... What would be a good nitrogen-fixating tree for the parts I'd like to eventually be forest proper, though? Red Alder has all the right properties, but it's a northern plant, so I don't think it'll do well here... What other, more southern Alders are there? Or is there a nitro-fixating tree native to florida that would be good for this?

I'll explain my idea for this a little better before going on;

Here's a rough aerial sketch of my property:

(Ignore the brown designations, they were what I was going to do, but those rows will probably dissolve once I start mulching)

The green areas (light and dark) are natural forest. Not going to cut that down, though I might be willing to plant some pawpaws in the underbrush...
The black rectangular thingy in the center is the house, the other black rectangle is the shed, and the blue is... or, was, the pool.

For now I'm focusing on that upper field, since it has the most potential, but needs the most work.

My plan as it is now is;
1. Wait for late summer.
2. Apply a thick (1 foot deep) layer of cellulose. Logs and tree trunks, if I can find any, will go first on the bottom, along with any cardboard that isn't shredded up. I don't want to smother out the weeds, it's just a necessary evil, due to my impatience... Things like cardboard and paper I'll try to shred up before throwing it down. Paper and cardboard is next, then paper, leaves, horse manure, then if I have any more left more manure left I'll toss it on, leaves, then I'll throw about one to a half- wheelbarrow of forest leaf litter, as a fungal innoculant, OR much more preferably try to find some edible mushroom spores I can inoculate my forest with instead. Then a layer of leaves on top of it all.
3. Let this sit and decompose for at least 2 weeks, preferably planting as soon as whether permits.
4. When the time starts to seem right, I'll order all of my plants, or if they were ordered as seed, I'll have them ready to transplant by this time. My first succession plant list is currently as follows:
50-75 Goumis (Barerooted, 12-18" plants, from lawyernursery.com)
10 Honeylocusts (Barerooted, still deciding on size but probably 12-18", from lawyernursery.com)
Some kind of nitro-fixating ground cover... Ideas? A mix of plants is preferred, as long as they don't easily out-compete the other, more useful plants. Current ideas are Alfalfa and Clover.
Comfrey (Directly planted from rhizomes, or grown from seed in containers here then transplanted, from horizonherbs.com)
Borage (Either transplanted or direct-seeded, possibly a mix to ensure some plants make it, from horizonherbs.com)
Dandelion (Either direct-seeded from horizonherbs.com, or as a transplant from oikostreecrops.com)
Adding some native plants to this mix would probably also be a good idea, but I can't think of much, besides just letting whatever weeds can grow in this system to do so...

I could probably use some more variety on that list, but then again I only have so much land, and most of the big ones I have to buy in bulk... Plus, I'll likely be replacing or adding-to the plants year by year with other kinds, though I'd like to know more about how exactly the succession should proceed... I'd still like to grow blueberries, but their cost (compared to the other plants) is very prohibitive with my current sources...
Also, should I plant the planned climax plants at the same time as everything else? My list of climax plants, which is basically what isn't listed above, would like to grow some day, and can think of right now, is:
(The and/or listings are plants which can replace each other, if need be. The second plant is more preferred then the first.)

Pawpaw
Blueberry
Pecan and/or black walnut
Mango and/or papaya
Olives and/or avacadoes
Apples and/or peaches
Passion fruit
Kiwi
Grape
Vanilla
Orange
Banana and/or Jackfruit
Custard apple
Guava
Goji
Flax and/or chia
Buckwheat
Comfrey
Borage
Dandelion
Parsley
Carrot
Melons (all kinds)
Tomatoes
Corn
Dry Beans (for sprouting)
Everything else can can be grown and is edible

Now, of course, I know it's unrealistic to think that I'll be growing ALL of these plants, but it would be nice to grow as much as I can, with as much variety as I can.

But anyway, how would I build up the soil, essentially from the nothing it is right now, up to a workable food forest, filled with trees, bushes, and annuals, all self-sustaining, and maintain some level of edibility throughout its establishment? Most particularly, how should I arrange the plants, especially the first-generation goumis, nitro-fixating trees, and various accumulators?
12 years ago