khurram haroon

hello Permies,

we are trying to arrange a first permies meetup in Lahore Pakistan on this weekend (May 8th or 9th). Please do contact on my cell +923008449161 in case you can join us to share your dream and experiences in Permaculture.

rgds,
KH

hi Mohsin,

Khurram here from lahore, Pakistan. my contact is +923008449161 & email is khurram.haroon@gmail.com. love to connect.

rgds,
KH

i could find out ideal range of readings for only a few of these readings. which i've mentioned below against results of my water tests:

EC (Electrical Conductivity: 4110 uScm-1 (should be less than 1500)
Ca++ & Mg++ (Calcium + Magnesium): 9.0 (couldn't find out what is the ideal reading)
Sodium (Na+): 32.1 (couldn't find out what is the ideal reading)
Carbonate (CO3): Nill (dont know the ideal reading)
Bicarbonate (HCO3): 10.4 (dont know the ideal reading)
Chloride: 6.2 (should be less than 4.5)
RSC (Residual Sodium Carbonate): 1.4 (should be less than 1.25)
SAR (Sodium absorption ratio): 15.1 (should be less than or equal to 6)
TDS: 12.04

hope this info might help a bit to understand.

rgds,
KH

hi dear Permies,

being an unqualified lover of Permaculture (i just love the idea without having any background education in any branch of farming), i bought some land (10 Acres) in my country (Pakistan). That's not a great landscape and the underground water quality is a big challenge for me to improve and use for farming, but that's the sort of property i could afford to buy. The soil texture has more sand and silt compared to clay in it and climate is hot and dry and summers are longer than winters.

I am sharing with you the testing results of my underground water (which i digged and found 470 feet below ground level, the water level in my area however is quite high: about ten feet just).

EC (Electrical Conductivity: 4110 uScm-1
Ca++ & Mg++ (Calcium + Magnesium): 9.0
Sodium (Na+): 32.1
Carbonate (CO3): Nill
Bicarbonate (HCO3): 10.4
Chloride: 6.2
RSC (Residual Sodium Carbonate): 1.4
SAR (Sodium absorption ratio): 15.1
TDS: 12.04


will you guys please help me by suggesting some practical and Permies' ways to improve the quality of this water.

rgds,
KH

dear Permies,

please see below data of my water test report. i think nothing could be worse than this:

Electrical Conductivity: 5030
Calcium+Magnesium: 8.6
sodium: 41.7
Carbonate: Nill
Bicarbonate: 9.8
Chloride: Very high
Sodium adsorption ratio: 20%
Residual sodium carbonate: 1.2

is there something which Permaculture could do to fix these or improve significantly through a mechanism which works for irrigation needs (not a small scale solar still for drinking water)

rgds,
KH

dear Permies,

please see below data of water test report. i think nothing could be worse than that:

Electrical Conductivity: 5030
Calcium+Magnesium: 8.6
sodium: 41.7
Carbonate: Nill
Bicarbonate: 9.8
Chloride: Very high
Sodium adsorption ratio: 20%
Residual sodium carbonate: 1.2

is there something which Permaculture could do to fix these or improve significantly through a mechanism which works for irrigation needs (not a small scale solar still for drinking water)

rgds,
KH

I agree with Greg's advise. if the weather is not that hot, you can use cattle manure alongwith green stuff for the top layer under the straw mulch and it work.

rgds,
KH

Hi Bill,

I'm a beginner too so I'm not expert to give you suggestions but I loved your novel and wanted to say you welcome. Dont ever think that you made wrong decision or chose a wrong land or weather conditions. Permaculture is a science of observing nature and applying natural remedies. Very warm welcome and you will surely progress quick with the help of our friends on this forum.

rgds,
KH

Thank you ladies & gentlemen for responding back. I surely can pick & try many of your useful suggestions for improving my water quality. For those who have asked for more input about my location, situation, i must add some intro. My land is located in Pakistan (a country full of problems). I'm 43 years old Pakistani male qualified in Physics & Mathemetics, but a world traveller by virtue of Apparel business, having no experience in farming at all yet me and a friend have bought some bad land (10-12 acres in all whatever cheap we could afford) and have planned to live our future life practising Permaculture. The ground water from the nearing well is also tested and found unfit. Isn't it a perfect recipe for a failure?


But we are those who believe in two things:

a. permaculture is the only responsible way of living a life. It is need of the hour. This is a silent revolution in disguise of gardening which can change the word as we dream it to be.
b. It is not what circumstances offer to us, it is how we respond to the given situation, that determines our fate.

Shall get back to you with answers of some of your other questions.

rgds,
KH

hello all permies,

I need Permaculture's help to suggest me how to improve the condition of ground water available for my land. I got it tested and the results are disappointing declaring water to be unfit for irrigation. I'm sure someone among you would help me come out of this frustration for what to do to make the available water fit and healthy for my land. putting down the results of chemical analysis for your expert opinion:

Electrical Conductivity: 2400 (ideally it should be 1000 at max)
Calcium + Magnesium (Ca+Mg): 8.8
sodium (Na): 15.2
carbonate (CO3): Nill
Bicarbonate (HCO3): 9.8
Chlorine (Cl): 10.3 (ideally it should be under 4.5)
Sodium Adsorption Ratio (SAR): 7.3 (ideally it should be <=6)
Residual Sodium carbonate (RSC: CO3+HCO3-(Ca+Mg)): 1 (ideally it should be less than 1.25)

hope to have a solution here.

regards,
KH