Bethany Dutch

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Oh man you guys are being so so helpful! Thank you!! SO much stuff in here I hadn't thought of. I can't wait for my trip next summer, although I suspect it will give me "short timer's syndrome" as far as living here, but eh... LOL
4 weeks ago
I'm gonna hazard a guess and say it is unlikely that the kid is just being given free rein with the gun. Coming as a parent who is teaching her kids how to do things that I find necessary (Oh I dunno, like my 6YO washing the dinner dishes, etc) one thing to consider is often kids, when they are learning to do something, are given credit for something as if they did it themselves even if they didn't do most of the work.

So my daughter yesterday was making deviled eggs for the first time. She's 10, and I didn't just set her in the kitchen and forget it. I walked her through the process, helped her measure everything, showed her how to mash the yolks, and yes I did a lot of the work for her.

The end result? She gets credit for making dinner.

Or let's say you make cookie dough, and the young child gets to help scoop the dough onto the cookie sheet. The end result? "Wow, (child), you made such amazing cookies! Good job!"

This is how it is, and imo how it SHOULD be, with kids. They need that recognition to feel like they accomplished the task, even though they may not see all the things the adult had to contribute to help them succeed. It helps keep them encouraged to learn more. As a parent I feel it's my job to provide that assistance and also "work my way out of a job" in the sense of gradually eliminating the things I do until she can do the whole thing without any assistance. I don't see hunting as any different.

Even if mom or dad had their hand over the kid's, ultimately if a 6YO is in a photo with a deer they hunted, chances are they weren't just given free rein. Chances are, there was an adult with them, probably doing most of the work with them. But when kids are very young this is how they learn. And gradually, eventually, said kids will learn to do it all by themselves. But it doesn't happen overnight. It just sounds to me like these parents are choosing to teach their kids sooner.

ANd given that in many places in the country, a landowner or direct family member of landowner (such as a child) can get a free deer tag or two to hunt on their own property, it makes a lot of sense to me that these parents might be doing everything they can to help their child "hunt" the deer. Because that's a lot of food which is basically free to them.
1 month ago

Tina Hillel wrote:I wanted to suggest that whatever spots you decide you like, try to visit them at night!

If you can, aim to make a visit on a weekend night.  Sometimes there are hidden things going on at night that you might not learn about until its too late.  Enjoy the search.  Its all part of the fun!

Oh interesting... anything specific you're referring to? Meth heads?
1 month ago

Pearl Sutton wrote:Bethany: I moved to S MO from the New Mexico desert. I treat the humidity like I used to treat the scorching heat, just work around it timing-wise, work in the morning and evening, not the heat of the day. I put effort into working in it, so I got used to it. Our first summer here, my mom pretty much melted down, stayed in the house, by the A/C and didn't acclimatize at all.
I like it here, it has things that matter to me. There are things I don't care for, but that would be true no matter where I moved. I picked the things that matter MOST to me.

Oh that's good to know! Going from the desert was probably a big adjustment. I am pretty sure I would be able to adjust to it but obviously that's easy for me to say since I haven't ever been there yet so that's part of why I'm making the trip.

Some things I looked into before buying that might be worth your time:

Consider is where the tornadoes walk, there are definite patterns.  Tornado History Project This site helped me a lot. Right along the I44 and I70 corridors seems to be thicker tornadoes. Personally, I wonder: the highways were put where the old roads were, the old roads were there because people had walked that way. Do the tornadoes walk the highways because it's easier for them, less obstructions? Or was the walking easier for pioneers because the tornadoes had kept the path clearer? Hard to say. But there IS a definite pattern to how they tend to go. Has a lot to do with the land forms.  Also note:: Tornado frequency shifting east  Which personally, I think correlates with Big Ag clearing more mileage of big fields, taking out hedgerows etc that might slow the winds down. When you look at property, beware of places that have a lot of trees all the same age, means if it wasn't logged, it got cleared by Mother Nature.

that IS a concern! But someone pointed out... here where I am, I'm at huge risk of wildfires that isn't so much a risk in MO, so I'm almost trading one for the other. My home has been threatened within a mile of a pretty major wildfire twice in the last 6 years, so I feel like that would be a zero sum game (tornado vs. wildfire), neither I think would be worse or better to me.

I also like the sites  Drilling Maps to see where they are fracking, and Flooding maps  watch the patterns in the area you are considering. Pay attention also to the stream flood markers that are down in the dips in the road, how many of those do you want to have to deal with? We looked at one place (had bad sun exposure) that had 8 markers on the only road in or out, and the bridges over them were just slabs of cement with no extra width or rails, that the water flowed over as it needed to. Umm. No. We don't want to be trapped. We are making our life so we don't HAVE to go places, but the option is nice.

GREAT tip, thank you!! I will totally check out those maps with the areas I pick.

Something to really watch for, unless you are willing to deal with it, is the rock levels in the ground. I know someone who bought 10 acres, that turned out to have 6 inches of topsoil on rock. He chipped out holes in the rock to plant trees. The trees aren't doing real well. You can do soil building, but being aware of it helps you choose wisely. Look at the rock strata on the highway, you'll see what I mean. And if you have a stream in the area, it will possibly involve legal hoops to jump through if you do things upstream. Watch for what else is upstream, I can't find the link, don't recall the name of it, but I had a national map that showed the water quality vs where the big feedlots are.

someone had told me about the rock thing, which I figure I'd have to take on a case-by-case basis since I know overall the Ozarks are rocky but there are some pockets of good soil! I'm not 100% of the best way to go about that when I'm looking at listings, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. And good tip about the runoff! Another thing I hadn't thought of.

Love to see you if you come by!! You are invited :D

Awesome! I'll get in touch with you when I finalize my dates, I would love to meet up with you!
1 month ago

Judith Browning wrote:

Not AR, mostly because I do want SNOW.  

Well today the last of an inch and a half snow is melting here in the Arkansas Ozarks.  We do get snow, sleet, freezing rain, etc...all of that winter stuff

I'm not sure what sort of community you're looking for?
If we had begun with a plan and some research back in the seventies, homesteading in the Fayetteville AR area might have been a better choice.
There is a very active farmer's market...well attended by both venders and customers...and also a thriving art, craft and music community...and being a college town leans more liberal than other areas.  And of course, most importantly there is beautiful fertile forested land.

A road trip is a great idea...I ended up here sort of accidently while hitching around.  You never know what you will find...good luck!

True! How much snow do you get? Up here I get about 50+ inches a year on average which is probably more than I'd like. I'd be happy with a couple good dumpings a year (4+ inches or so). Enough to have a couple snow days, sledding with the kids, etc. But I don't need as much as we get here!

Community wise... well, honestly, that's not super important to me. I'm a real hermit and homebody, so artsy/music/etc stuff isn't really particularly important to me. I'm generally pretty middle of the road politically but I think I'd be more comfortable in a conservative environment rather than liberal/progressive, which is part of why I want to leave WA.

So hmm... in a community, what's important to me? Libertarian leanings would be a huge massive bonus. I don't need "stuff" to do, but my current town has an old fashioned single screen theater, a couple good restaurants, and they do one great festival a year in the park which is nice. What would be best, I think, is to be able to connect with other permie/homesteader/sustainability types more than anything. That right there is my version of community. And then being a single woman homesteader, having a couple reliable handyman types I could hire would be good. One thing I heard from a couple people is that it's hard to get reliable worker type help ,which may pose a challenge, but I suspect that may just be more of an isolated experience thing.
1 month ago

Mike Jay wrote:Yeah, it should be a fun adventure for you!  If you do open houses, make sure you don't fall in love with something before you're ready or able to pull the trigger.  I think it worked out better for us to not be able to walk on the property as we did our drive-bys.  We could get a feel for the land and area and if the price of the property looked good to us without getting emotionally attached.

Oh! LOL true... I guess we will see. Maybe I'll swing by some if I happen across some but you are right I definitely don't want to fall in love with anything yet. It's been a difficult task keeping my KIDS from falling in love with real estate listings, since we can get so much more "home" for my buck out there than we have here so it will be an upgrade when we do... one of them goes window shopping on zillow all the time 😂 I have to hold her back a lot of the time!
1 month ago

Mike Jay wrote:Sounds like a good trip!  One thing that helped us lock in on a location was to make up a list (zillow or of properties that met out needs and price range.  Then we could drive by them (park on the road and just snoop in a legal manner).  That way, instead of just going to the towns and looking at the area in general, you can see specific spots and see how it really feels to you.  Don't plan on buying any of them or falling in love, just see if what people are selling for $XXXXX meets your needs and seems livable.

Once you have narrowed it down to a few areas, another trip where you spend a couple nights in each spot can help pin it down even better.  Check out the library, feed store, church, bars or whatever social place you want to get a feel for how friendly the place is.

Good luck!

Great ideas, thank you! It will be about 2-3 years at minimum so I have plenty of time to both pare down my stuff here, sell off things, finish my house & pay down my land mortgage, etc. while I'm also taking my time to check out the area. I like the idea of taking a second dedicated trip to spend more chunks of time in specific towns/areas... that may have to be in 2020 but I think that's really smart. I am HOPING to see if I can hit up some open houses while I'm there as well, but who knows if I'll be able to coordinate that.
1 month ago
A while back I came to terms with some things that I've been feeling about living here in WA state, and that is that I don't really want to stay here on my current homestead llongterm.

So I've asked myself, all things being equal, where would I want to go? Through a process of elimination, I've pretty much identified that I want to go to MO in the Ozarks. I've considered many many other states but I just keep coming back to Missouri, it seems to check off all of my "must-haves" in a way that other states don't. (If you guys are curious, let me know and I can go into my reasonings for wanting to go to MO and why I want to leave WA)

The only problem is the humidity, right? Being from WA I'm not particularly accustomed to living with humidity in the summers, and while the weather is not as extreme as what I'm used to (their winters are a bit milder, summers aren't quite as hot) the humidity is the kicker. So I'm going to be flying out sometime this next summer to test it out - I have a friend who recently moved to south central MO, so I'll get good feedback from her also on what it's like from someone who is used to living in my current climate.

Anyway - I wanted to get some feedback from anyone who lives in the area on particular areas/counties I need to check out? I'm mostly just considering the ozarks area, so the southern part of the state. Not AR, mostly because I do want SNOW. Just... not as much as we get here though which is like 50 inches a year 😳

I'll be flying in to Tulsa at the end of July to visit some friends, and then take a few days and basically zig-zagging my way up to St Louis and trying to just drive around and check everything out in the southern half of the state. I'm not super interested in tourist traps, etc. but really want to keep things focused on my task, which is checking out the area for possibly relocating in a few years. That, and gauging whether or not I think I could get used to humidity in the heat. Not really planning on going up north since I do want the hilliness of the ozarks but if I'm wrong on that (that N MO isn't as hilly) let me know!
1 month ago
I just went through one of the worst colds I've had in decades along with two of my kids. I loaded up on all the natural remedies, but admittedly it's hard to know what they did simply because most of the time, it helps you get better sooner but there's no way of knowing how soon you would have recovered without it, if that makes sense.

So a couple things I noticed specifically:

Garlic - for some reason and I don't remember noticing this in the past, but about 5 minutes after chewing up a clove of garlic, I'd feel much better physically.
Gelatin - I stumbled on this accidentally but warm jello water (which later became warmed fruit juice with water and unflavored gelatin) was immensely soothing to a raw, sore throat. I do drink a throat tea that works great called Throat Coat by Traditional Medicinals that heavily features herbs such as licorice and slippery elm, but the warm gelatin water was really great for my kids who were less inclined to drink the tea. I think it worked better than the tea although possibly not as long lasting. This may also be why bone broth is often touted as such a soother, but I have to admit I didn't have the same effect from the bone broth I had (both homemade and storebought). I may try to concoct a kid-friendly drink with marshmallow root, licorice and slippery elm next time. It was often the only thing that helped the throat pain for all of us.
honey - honey was also something that immediately gave relief to a sore, scratchy throat. It literally felt like there was a cat inside my throat using it as a scratching post - extremely painful and pain reliever didn't touch it. But honey helped... I'd use a spoonful but just take a tiny tiny bit at a time and then a minute later, have more, etc.

Other than that, all of the natural remedies and herbs we did were more immune boosters that hopefully helped us get over it faster, but there's no way to quantify that. We were taking vitamin c, elderberry, colloidal silver, and I was also chewing raw garlic a few times a day and taking capsules I'd made with cinnamon, turmeric, ginger and cayenne mixed with coconut oil.
1 month ago
So I let a hen go broody in my garden this year and she totally decimated my mulch. I made a video tour of it and then re-mulched it all, here's the before & after. PLEASE LEARN FROM MY MISTAKE! 😂 "It's just one hen" quickly becomes one hen + 15 babies. Oh my gosh I will never ever permit that to happen again, EVERRRR.

The chicken aftermath:

My re-mulching (kind of satisfying to watch)
1 month ago