Timothy Markus wrote:
Bethany Dutch wrote: Now - all that to say, if I can think of one huge mistake that most young men do, it is to approach women as if they are some sort of "game" that has to be played.
I'm 48. I think it's fair to say that I've seen as many women 'play' men as I've seen men 'play' women. There's a lack of understanding from both perspectives and stupid approaches to dealing with the opposite sex from both sides. What I've seen in this thread is that the majority of the advice is to be your authentic self and try to find someone who appreciates who you are and who 'fits' who you are.
Bethany Dutch wrote: And for the love of God, do not treat us like we are a commodity to be acquired.
I don't know what you mean by MGTOW. If you're referring to Dale and his fiancee, my take is that he's trying to bridge a culture gap to find a true partner, in every sense of the word. If you're referring to Robert, yeah, that guy's got a different perspective than most (all?) of the other guys that have posted in this thread.
Jess Dee wrote:I'll bet quite a lot of them, especially the pioneer women, probably were in the range that a modern doctor would call obese. My own grandma (born in 1920) always commented that she didn't know what the doctors' problem was, considering she was healthy in every way, walked a couple of miles daily, lived on her own, kept a garden into her 80's, etc. They called her obese. Similarly, in my own community, I was talking to an older (in her mid 80's) neighbor, and commented on the doctor calling me fat...she replied that she thought I was a fine weight "for a woman your age" (mid 40's). I found it interesting that she would (rightfully, really) associate different ages with different expectations for build / weight / etc.
Even looking at old (Medieval and Renaissance) paintings, the women especially were often quite plump.
There probably were not many (or any) morbidly obese people in times past, but I think it is only fairly recently that European societies have considered 'fatness' a problem (as opposed to a badge of honor, as the family was clearly well provided for).