wes kul

Correction, land faces east*, not south. It's 2 lots next to each other totaling about 1.55 acres. One of the lots is more flat but less private, the 2nd lot is more sloped and private and has the camper trailer, but both lots are included for privacy. Pets and/or animals are allowed. It's unrestricted land. There's a transformer box but no electrical meter, so that may be an option if you want to stay long term and hook up to the grid. Weed-eating or keeping the grounds cut isn't included, so you may need a weed-eater or small lawn mower, otherwise pay one of the locals to cut it. I should also add, this area isn't like Asheville with the hippie culture, so while there are liberal people who make crafts and wear dreadlocks, it's not the dominant culture. People here shoot guns, some burn their trash, live their own way but mostly they mind their own business and respect private property, mostly good people.

I have a wooded lot in Murphy NC that's mostly wooded for rent. It's on a dirt road, south facing sloped land. It's sloped enough to be a challenge for certain things, but not too bad for moving a camper or trailer onto. It's rugged access (cars can reach but not recommended if low ground clearance). There are neighbors but not necessarily close enough to see or hear you. Currently an old 34' leaking camper sits there (needs to be gutted or removed, possibly can be used for storage). This would be an off-grid deal, as power and water isn't set up. Minutes from Lake Nottely and Decker's Flea market.

I think this sounds like an incredible success story or proof these communities can work. I don't know for sure, but I'm betting the key was being able and willing to sell split up land. It gives people a real incentive and flexibility to do things differently while still working together.

Anne Miller wrote:Hi, Wes

I hope you find the right permie people to rent your land to.

Finding people who will love the land as much as you do and not trash it because there is not trash service.

Maybe post a topic in the volunteer forum or the real estate forum:

https://permies.com/f/271/volunteer-offerings

https://permies.com/f/163/real-estate

Thank you. It's funny you mention trash, because trash removal is the main specific rule I have outlined in the "living on land lease" I drafted up. My buddy loves the land he lives on and I'd consider myself lucky to find someone like him, who likes to keep their surroundings nice. In fact that's probably the reason no neighbors to speak of have complained. The law patrols that street and probably likes his presence, because there's been a drop in activity since he moved there with his german sheppard. Same thing where I live. 10 or 20 years ago this type of living in plain site, in neighborhoods that aren't remote would have been taboo.

I will check out the other forums.

I bought a mostly hillside property 12 years ago, 30 some acres that stretches from the bottom of a hill to the top where it becomes flat. Nobody lives at the top because the road is dirt and rugged (only 4x4 vehicles can drive it), only used by power companies and ATV'ers. There's a nice view and looks great on a sunny day, depressing on a damp grey day. I bought it with the intention of living there one day and developing it with the option of living off the grid. Back then we had the great recession and I wanted to get away from modern society, away from jersey where I felt out of place and didn't feel my dream is possible. I traveled and lived in NC where I had land closer to family, lived in WA and OK. Now I'm married and my wife doesn't want to live in east KY, but meantime this property is sitting there all these years.

Now I want to rent it to one or two parties who want to live off grid. I bought it with plans to live there off grid, because it's big and private enough to sustain that lifestyle. While I appreciate growing food and being good to the environment, permaculture or even homesteading isn't exactly my thing. I don't like dealing with animals. I've cut so many trees and I'm always cutting vegetation to keep animals at bay, to deter flees snakes and mice etc. I've lived off-grid with little money and it was hard, but my only bill was a data plan. While I no longer live that way because I'm married etc, I know there are people who need a place to set up camp and call home. My mother was homeless and land became useful until we bought a house. My friend lives there now in a minivan with a tent and chicken coop. He "stewards" the land and lives there free because it has nothing except trees and dirt and it's in the hood, a semi-rural run down hood outside city limits. He has no desires except to work a few hours a week and live in peace with his dog grow stuff and travel once in a while. That's just an acre but I also have this bigger property and want to gauge the permie thoughts or ideas in that kind of arrangement.

In real life, I don't really see permie people very much. I see rednecks living in campers on their friend or uncle's lawn, maybe growing a crop or 2, trading drugs or a guy with a farm raising goats as a side hustle, but not so much the hippie greenthumb types I saw when I lived in western washington.

If the debt ceiling isn't raised or gets removed altogether, maybe there won't be a congress much longer. Then dairy farmers can draft their own farm bills.

Yeah dumpster diving sounds well, I think of pigs mostly. My mother has bough seeds with her foodstamps. I signed up for those downloads. Cashflow and spending problems are in the same basket to me, even rich people have problems with both.

I'm writing a book to share my knowledge on how to be more financially secure and happy. This will be a cheap e-book over 100 pages.

Most people tend to think they already know enough about controlling their finances, and maybe they do, but there's always more.

If you was reading a book on improving your financial or your families financial situation, what would you want it to cover?

examples:
How can I safely, easily get over 3% return on investments?
How to buy a new vehicle at rock bottom price
How to live off grid without going into debt or reducing your energy

This isn't going to be a book about getting rich, but my goal is to help even the most financially depressed quickly improve thier finances and middle class to hold onto their wealth through hard times. Any feedback is appreciated.

Thanks everyone for the good information. I think there must be some small creek/ drainage because the wooded area drops 400 ft. Maybe I can dam a creek and install a ram pump, have to watch it first.

For the first year I'll probably work with the nonwooded area, I like root vegetables, squash, greenbeans, and I'll grow about anything I can since I'm vegetarian. I think I'll try beekeeping as well though I heard its tough. I like the concept of hugelkulture so I should be able to have that from the wooded land as well. I will be using a woodstove in a small cabin. I like that timber green video. I may try some of that to build my cabin with, save a few hundred dollars. This property has been in the same family since 1880 so I may be the first new owner, don't want to mess up the natural beauty.

I just got a big property and about 20 or so acres is wooded, located on the side of a hill, maybe 20% grade slope. It's in eastern kentucky and faces east.

I don't want to cut it down or anything. I'll be living here fulltime. Another 10 acres is relatively clear which will include some pasture garden etc. My friend says it'll be a good permaculture environment. Any ideas or suggestions?