Skeeter Ni-Seighin

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Jay Green wrote:So you are taking B12 injections, or are you taking yours in a nasal spray?



Neither. As I said, I take fortified B12 and nutritional yeast. You don't need injections unless you cannot absorb the B12 sufficiently.
5 years ago

Jay Green wrote:

Skeeter Ni-Seighin wrote:

Jay Green wrote:I don't know if it has been mentioned here but I'm wondering what vegans are doing about B12 for their long term dietary needs? My parents were vegan for upwards to 20 years but as they became elderly we started to see B12 deficiency related dementia symptoms. In my dad it was irreversible~he did not respond to B12 therapy~ and he is now in a nursing facility. Mom is showing some similar symptoms but I have been able to slow it down or reverse them, it seems, with the addition of eggs and some dairy to her diet. Men seem to have more trouble reversing the affects of long term B12 deficiency than do women.

B12 Deficiency and Dementia

Medical Studies




I get B12 from fortified milks and nutritional yeast. B12 can be an issue for anyone on any diet as they get older, and many older people get B12 shots or take supplements because their body can't retain it. In general you need very little, but there is sometimes some reason (separate medical reasons) why B12 doesn't get absorbed by the body, so to speak. Also as we get older we need more B12 anyway. The other issue also is we need good calcium levels in order to absorb the B12. If in doubt get checked, and take a B12 Supplement. Did your parents take supplements? I don't know how old they are but when they went Vegan they may have been in that age bracket where you need more, and at that point they stopped completely by giving up meat and dairy? Hope this helps.



They went vegan in their late 50s, early 60s and went entirely without any foods derived from animals except for once a year when they harvested wild turkey. As people age, their ability to produce and even metabolize B12 is greatly reduced, so increasing these in their diet was essential. But...no one mentioned that when they hyped the vegan diet to them. They went vegan for their physical health and didn't think a bit about their mental health being connected to the physical...as I see many on this thread are not regarding this fact either. If they had just kept eggs or some lean meats in their diet, such as venison as they used to eat, this deficiency could have been drastically reduced or avoided altogether. What is natural about having B12 injections? Nothing. It can be obtained naturally through smart eating...there is nothing wrong with home grown eggs and my mother is finally convinced of that after years of having the vegan mindset.

What we were left with was an 80 yr old man in excellent physical health, running away from 5-6 orderlies in the mental hospital and almost making it to the top of a 10 ft. chainlink fence. He succeeded in fighting these men off most of the time, it took injections of all different kinds of anti-anxiety and anti-psychotic meds to keep him confined to the mental ward. He was still exercising vigorously on his own, doing 50 push ups several times a day....like a broken toy that is stuck on one activity. What good is all that physical health when the mental health is gone, I ask you? He couldn't remember anything he used to know, didn't know how to even make a phone call, was threatening suicide every day, driving away from home and getting lost for many hours, couldn't remember how to shift the gears on his truck...but, by golly, he sure was healthy!!!

This is why I posted a warning...people need to know this before they undertake a completely vegan life. We need that B12 and not just when we are old. Nothing wrong with going vegetarian and eating better...it's greatly beneficial. But vegan? It needs to be examined a little more closely and all angles reviewed before embarking on it as a lifestyle.





B12 deficiency is as much an elderly issue, as a Vegan issue. Meat and dairy eaters also suffer B12 deficiencies.

If people embark on a new diet, any diet then it should be researched properly. I as a Vegan (not a diet) would not eat an unhealthy and unethical animal product in order to receive one vitamin that I can so easily get from a supplement. I haven't read through all the threads, so I don't know where people are talking about B12 or why you think people are not aware, but B12 is certainly mentioned very frequently in the circles I mix in for one reason or another.

In all fairness B12 sticks out like a sore thumb because it is the only vitamin that cannot be obtained in a plant source, so I don't think the vegan diet needs to be reexamined, people as I said just need to research a new diet properly.
5 years ago

Blaine Lindsey wrote: hey people! Its so great to see so many fellow vegetarians/vegans on here! Ive read this thread and hello to you each! much love and light to you, & of course to all on this site! Our passion for permaculture and sustainable living is a precious gem in the rough and no matter your diet, our earth-friendly lifestyles are bringing much healing and rejuvination into the world! Ive been meat-free for about 3 years now, never take supplements, 100& organic/non gmo, much wild foods, and have been on a diet/nutrition journey ever since that first day! Ive transitioned from all the levels haha! junk-food vegetarian- gourmet vegetarian-vegan-raw vegan- 80/10/10 fruitarian. But right around there i got really into growing my own food and permaculture, and after much insight and soulsearching i transitioned finally to what I call Living Foodist. Basically a Fruitarian/ Vegan in every way but incorporating organic/ artisan/ raw goat milk and beehive products as the fruits of the animal kingdom).I strongly believe though, in true animal husbandry, helping the goat be so healthy that it milk is sweet and nutritious, with more than enough for its kids, biodynamic beekeeping, extracting honey only seldomely, influencing specific honey flavors and/or active manuka honeys with certain plants. fermenting the raw dairy into kefir, the raw honey into honey mead. Also a main staple of my diet is sprouted ancient grains, everything from the coconut plant, hemp. I also believe that landrace cannabis in its original integrity( ina virgin forest) should be a main staple of human diet. I would love to have goats, bees, chickens, pigs, all kinds of animals ina permaculture setting, but would never eat them, creating symbiotic relationships with the animals that help us both thrive. any in th SF bay area let me know, we could start upa local weekly vegan potluck/ spark a local permaculture project!



This life you have planned sounds perfect Blaine. What would you like for a house? I would like to build an Ecobag.
5 years ago

Jay Green wrote:I don't know if it has been mentioned here but I'm wondering what vegans are doing about B12 for their long term dietary needs? My parents were vegan for upwards to 20 years but as they became elderly we started to see B12 deficiency related dementia symptoms. In my dad it was irreversible~he did not respond to B12 therapy~ and he is now in a nursing facility. Mom is showing some similar symptoms but I have been able to slow it down or reverse them, it seems, with the addition of eggs and some dairy to her diet. Men seem to have more trouble reversing the affects of long term B12 deficiency than do women.

B12 Deficiency and Dementia

Medical Studies




I get B12 from fortified milks and nutritional yeast. B12 can be an issue for anyone on any diet as they get older, and many older people get B12 shots or take supplements because their body can't retain it. In general you need very little, but there is sometimes some reason (separate medical reasons) why B12 doesn't get absorbed by the body, so to speak. Also as we get older we need more B12 anyway. The other issue also is we need good calcium levels in order to absorb the B12. If in doubt get checked, and take a B12 Supplement. Did your parents take supplements? I don't know how old they are but when they went Vegan they may have been in that age bracket where you need more, and at that point they stopped completely by giving up meat and dairy? Hope this helps.
5 years ago