Tim Dickinson

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I'm plotting and planning an even smaller outdoor system (since a 20 ft pond would take up a quarter of my yard). Maybe I'm looking in all the wrong places (or maybe I just have to pay for the info.) but Denver or even Front Range specific info and tips just aren't out there. I've heard that trout and bluefin are pretty cold hardy and edible. I haven't tried bluefin so can't verify edibility but trout is a bit too mushy for my family's taste. While trout and bluefin may be cold hardy, I don't know what else is and I'm learning that diversity is the key to sustainability. Even beaver seem to know this and have been known to willingly share their own winter food and lodge with muskrat, mice, frogs, and a host of other critters trying to stay warm in the winter. stocking a system with only one kind of animal can be a precarious system to keep balanced and laziness was a significant factor in my conversion to permaculture. I'm not really into frog legs but they're on the list of possibilities. My best thought is to just read up on local natural pond life and replicate it with a few adjustments for edibility.

In the Rocky Mountains beaver ponds are a critical haven of life for surviving the winter. One feature is the deep trenches beaver dig throughout their pond for predator safe passage. These highways also create more thermal layers within the pond. Maybe your whole pond does not have to be deeper but perhaps a 4-5 ft trench could be incorporated into the layout of your otherwise 3 ft pond. Since it would be visible from the air the trench could be in the shape of a fish or peace sign or cross to add some extra kicks and grins to the project. That said make sure you have something living in there that will stir things up in the trench all year round to keep it from getting too anaerobic down there. Alternatively, growbed drains could be plumbed to exit laterally at the bottom of the trench to create some "deep sea" currents. Use a trompe to oxygenate the water all the way to the bottom.

Of course, you could always go for a wider deeper "trench" and incorporate a swimming hole into a portion of the pond. I imagine running of the end of a small dock into a naturally clean pond would feel pretty good in July or August. Just don't stock it with piranhas.

I believe Sepp Holtzer also has his (supposedly tried and true) method of maintaining circulation and survivable winter temps with only contour. It goes something like this: a south facing sloped bottom with the deepest point near the south edge of the water and large submerged rocks somewhere in the middle as thermal batteries. Solar convection moves the water up the sloping bottom which faces the winter sun. the warmed water is pushed across the top of the pond to the south end where it sinks and is again drawn up the south facing slope of the pond bottom. If I correctly attribute this model to Mr. Holtzer, and since he lives in what I'm guessing is a slightly harsher climate than here, and we get more sunshine here than the Sunshine State, it ought to work at least as well as at Sepp's place.

Another way of keeping water temp a tad warmer in winter is to use a greenhouse for shallow winter growbeds. The greenhouse can can be temporary or partially temporary so the beds can be used in summer too in conjunction with your other 2-3 season beds. If aesthetics is a concern, the winter beds can be part of the landscaping but arranged to It should warm the water enough with each cycle to keep the pond going. If the growbeds always retain some of their water, the cold pond water would mix with warmer retained water to hopefully guard against shocking the plants. You could even run it through a small solar collector on the way to the veggies. If anyone has tried some of this I'd love to know what works and what doesn't.

It is important to keep in mind that many fish will hibernate over the winter. There may not be enough fish poop to keep a winter greenhouse healthy.

As far as rainwater is concerned, a fairly eye pleasing "wash" could be constructed (with appropriate liners to prevent soil saturation near foundations) to direct the occassional "flash flood" from the downspouts to the pond via open drainage (rather than the highly suspicious rainwater catchment plumbing). An appropriately sized outlet across the pond would direct nutritious overflow to and across a strategic location before being allowed to freely flow off the property. To size the outlet I'd allow for 3" of rain per hour over the total area of roof and pond. I'm not aware of any storm in Denver that has ever exceeded that (climate change notwithstanding). In my case I have two "orchards" each with 3 fruit trees, a berry hedge, and a perpetual cover crop of chicken fodder that would all benefit from an occasional spring or summer flood. Over flow could be easily directed to flood these areas before exiting the property (if it makes it that far). In Denver this would keep water levels generally up during the summer and provide 1 or 2 partial water changes every year. (Of course, if the system were in place on my property now, this unusually northwestish spring would be yielding a fairly constant stream necessitating a culvert under the front sidewalk and more explicit spillways over the front curb (probably a serendipitous chunk of concrete broken off the edge of the driveway cutout) and the alley-side retaining wall.) At any rate, in this way you are not damming an existing waterway, nor storing it for later use, but directing runoff away from the house and off the property by way of your already full pond (though I'm sure no one would report you if you let a good storm fill your pond initially as well).

To supplement water level with municipal water I prefer (and can afford) more low tech options I will likely rely on a above ground cistern ( barrel or IBC tote) plumbed to manually drain into the pond. I can fill and treat the water in the cistern before releasing it into the pond. Since all the retail pond dechlorinators leave other chemicals in the water that I'd rather not have in my food, I have been successfully treating water for my current system with a 500mg vitamin C tablet dissolved in a 5 gallon bucket of tap water followed by 2-3 days of fresh air and sunshine.

Now that I've waxed eloquent well beyond my experience, I'll wait for more experienced people to weigh in. (The sum of my aquaponics credentials is a 2 year old 40ish gallon indoor system which includes a single very healthy goldfish, 3 houseplants, a first-try bell siphon that has never failed a single time, and a dusty stack of supplies in the garage to build a light bank to allow me to fill my otherwise empty growbed with herbs.)
9 years ago
AAAAAaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!

Is there a "woe is me" thread for those of us who started clicking through kickstarter a couple weeks ago and, after an arbitrary and unwelcomed computer reboot and impending descension of out of state relatives, pushed the whole thing off the computer and out of mind till sitting down for a little permy pick-me-up after driving loved ones back to the airport only to find that my one chance at affording this coveted video tome of knowledge is out of reach by a mere 8 hours? (Yeah, that started as a question.)

Oh, well. Maybe a rich relative will hook me up for Christmas.
9 years ago
William, the drum and bucket setup I tried was just what you described. I used an old holiday tin with a lid as the cylinder/drum. The difficulty is getting it far enough away from the rim to force the rat to lunge/jump. Since a small footprint and keeping kids out is critical, a bucket is what I'm limited to. However, it requires lowering the cylinder so the rat jumps down on it instead of across.

I might just try a bucket version of my false floor barrel idea and see what happens. I don't want to spend a lot of time on a partial solution.

The trouble with using bait of any kind is that you actually attract more of them.
10 years ago
I'm currently experimenting with possible solutions for my city location. Had a couple rats move in this fall and set up housekeeping under a scrap woodpile near the coop. The wood is now "hugeling" under a new garden bed and the underground portion of their lair is thoroughly decimated but the blasted critters still think my place feels like home. I tried a baited rolling drum over a bucket setup that I found on YouTube. The peanut butter was a big hit but they meticulously leaned over and slowly rolled the can so as to get every last lick of peanut butter without falling in. Having watched exactly how they work, I may try a deeper bucket or barrel and place the drum just out of reach from the rim. I'm certain they couldn't stay balanced on the drum if they had to stand completely on it to reach the food. From there it's straight into the drink where they are free to swim around till their heart's content until I find and dispatch them.

Rats getting in the feed barrel also gave me an idea. Smear peanut butter on the inside of a bucket/barrel out of reach of the top but theoretically within reach from the 1" or so thick layer of foam beads or other tiny floatables floating on the water (which the rat can't tell isn't a solid mass). Another rat swimming around in it might trigger suspicion in a second but I suspect it would actually (and amusingly) provide reassurance and/or intrigue.


A word of caution about pellet guns. I mysteriously misplaced my old pump kiddie air rifle which I have successfully and famously used indoors on mice and, in honor of the rats, upgraded to a high power spring piston number with interchangeable .22 and .177 cal barrels. Turns out the smaller caliber pellets break the sound barrier. When the shock wave catches up, it knocks the pellet off course. Also, the intense air pressure inside the gun causes any oil (manufacturing or otherwise) to "diesel" (explode) which, again, throws the pellet off course, not to mention the almost firearm level sound effect which isn't a bonus when shooting at night in the city. Some people do this on purpose for more power but they must be shooting at bigger targets. A well tuned scope doesn't help if your shooting 6" groups at 10 yards. One manufacturer said the out of the box dieseling should be gone in "as little as 200 shots." I'm about 150 shots into my new air rifle and it's a little quieter and I'm down to a fairly reliable 2" grouping (at 10 yards) but the barrel still smokes a little after each shot and a 2" spread doesn't necessarily hit a rat, much less fatally. This performance is from the fairly highly regarded and recommended Beeman Kodiak.

This is no Red Ryder! A high powered .22 air rifle will go through a lot before stopping. If you're in the city, you'll want to prepare a baited shooting range designed to contain angry pellets. A fairly comfortable blind is also in order because, unless you're completely overrun with them, rats will spook a bit with each shot (especially if your gun is still dieseling) so you'll want a place to relax without spooking them further while you wait for the next one to venture out.

You may balk at also investing in night vision attachments. Instead, ight the whole target area with red light. I started with the red setting on my cheapo head lamp and upgraded to a red CFL party bulb in a clamp on heat lamp fixture. Rats can't see red so they won't even know they're in the spotlight. So long as you don't amuse yourself with your smartphone while the rats are getting their courage back, the red light will be plenty bright to quickly sight anything within a 6' radius of the bulb.

Complications aside, shooting them seems to be the most effective method for keeping populations at the lowest possible levels (maybe zero).

I've seriously considered a terrier too. Our collie is getting pretty old and none of us want to be without a dog in the family. I prefer the companionship of a dog over a cat any day . However, they reportedly don't play well with chickens so it would have to be strictly a house dog specially trained to make good use of chaperoned trips into the yard.

Our cats (both born and bred barn cats) are useless and I don't feel like indefinitely collecting more until I find one or two who can do the job. Especially in the city where, technically, you're supposed to keep them indoors.
10 years ago
Bill,
Yes it sounds familiar. Though, my basement appears to have been an unfinished cellar for much of its life. The paint predates us but is fairly recent and there's no evidence of previous interior finishing. I added a couple walls when we first moved in. I put up a little drywall but had to cut the sheets into such small pieces it was mostly joints and there is nothing worse than taping mudding and sanding those seams. I did the rest in a commercially available plaster over wood lath and put a skim coat over the drywall to make it all match. At the time, I was surprised to find that the modern plaster dried rock hard unlike the original plaster on the main floor (I now know that the commercial plaster included cement and gypsum). The old lime plaster is much easier to work with and had a longer working time. In the interest of reducing the risk of injury to kids or animals, I opted for hydrated lime but I'm certain the original stuff was prepared from quicklime (which was tempting to eliminate the 6+ week rest). Oh, well.

I won't be insulating the basement as it is time consuming, costly, and I can do that effectively from the outside. Eventually, I will turn my attention to the outside and prepare a waterproof barrier that encompasses several feet of surrounding soil as well as a bit of thermal battery, in which case I will want more efficient heat transfer through the wall anyway.

I think I'm rambling.

So, unless gravely cautioned otherwise (according to my limiting parameters), I'll directly lime plaster the foundation wall and do a finish coat over some kind of cob for the center wall to store a bit more winter sun love. I'm still puzzling over the this wall which sperates the bedroom from the furnace. I don't want to finish the furnace side but,I do want a little mass to store some heat given of from the (pretty inefficient) furnace, but I don't want to answer a lot of questions from an inspector on the of chance that I opt for a more conventional replacement someday. (I'd much prefer to replace it with RMH but of something happens to it before I have a proven RMH in place, I'll want something fast. If I can do something through the proper channels I do. As for finishing the basement, it's 1 inch too short to be grandfathered in by the city as a legal basement. Technically it's a crawl space and can't get s permit to finish it of I wanted to.

Damn, I'm rambling again.
10 years ago
Hi Allen. Strictly speaking my questions are directed at anyone who cares to give an informed answer.

I'd remind you that the house is 95 years old. There were no such codes to cheat, only the homeowner. The garage (built at the same time) is evidence as the foundation sits 6 inches past the back property line and the north eave extends over my neighbor's.

The eves are beautifully sized for sun exposure. The basement windows are in 24 hour shade around the summer solstice and the winter sun hits an inch above the top of the south windows. It smacks of thoughtful construction.

Frankly, aside from some settling, the main house and it's foundation have stood sound for the large majority of its 95 years. The crumbling is relatively new and related to the obviously relatively recent latex paint on the walls.

I have personally recontoured the grade around the house for maximum drainage. There is no drainage system at the bottom of the foundation. It sits several very below the elevation of utility services and there is no sump. As I eluded to in my first post, a frozen pipe was the source of my flood last Feb and moisture is otherwise not an issue. We sleep down there every night. If there were moisture/water infiltration issues, I wouldn't use it as a bedroom. Nor would I pitch a tent in a dry stream bed. If it occasionally gets water, I'm not sleeping there.

I would love to have the time and money to prevent water from getting to the foundation from the outside but disturbing the heavy clay subsoil would cause more problems than could easily be addressed. (The definition of easy being anything beyond digging down to the footer with a shovel to waterproof the concrete and install drainage below the footer.) However, now is not the time for me to think about or deal with that particular issue issue.
10 years ago
Thanks Jay,

So, cob and concrete don't get along? That's exactly why I asked before doing. (The forum on earthen floors seems to indicate that they get along reasonable well in horizontal applications. Since the Saltio tile in there doesn't extend to edge of the room and is oriented to the frame walls I removed and are about 10 degrees off from the foundation walls and is frustratingly irregular surface for building with blocks or wooden train layouts, my plan is to chip it out and go with earth.)

I'm assuming that a lime plaster (with sand) would work over the OPC just as well as the wash. I'd post a picture but the kids are sleeping in the next room and I don't want to rummage around. The surface really is grossly craggy (mostly an original feature from a thick mix and little effort to eliminate air pockets against the form). Unless it was common practice to parge stone using forms, the foundation is definitely concrete. Another blemish I'd like to hide is from the occasional gap between form boards leaving a bulging monolithic vein across a portion of the wall. It's going to take a lot more than a few lime washes to smooth that out.

I'm not too worried about moisture entering the room through the wall. The air here is pretty dry. Doesn't get above 50% humidity in the summer (unless its actively raining) and 10-15% is common in winter. Any water that makes it to the surface will be a welcome and almost instant addition to the interior air. My main concern is getting the paint off that is sealing the water into the wall and making it look nice without resealing it.

Any recommendations on creating a bit more mass in the interior walls? Straight cob? framed with cob between? wattle and daub? Forget it?

Thanks,
Tim
10 years ago
I'm finally getting around to finishing the flood cleanup from a broken pipe in Feb. (I've got a lot on my plate.) In Feb I removed the drywall in the basement and discovered that the painted foundation wall is bubbling and the concrete is crumbling behind the bubbles. I have now removed the stud walls entirely with the intention of stripping the paint and plastering the concrete. There are also a couple cracks I'd like to keep an eye on so covering it with another stud wall isn't the solution. The surface of the concrete is quite rough and unpleasantly irregular so it will need some sort of coating to make it a nice place to live in (it was and will be the kids' bedroom). The exterior of the 95 year old foundation (obviously) has no waterproofing (other than our heavy clay soil) so the plaster must be breathable to allow the small amount of moisture that seeps through to evaporate into the room. The solution must also be dirt cheap. We're living in poverty for the foreseeable future and free is the best price though I already bought and mixed up some hydrated lime in anticipation of needing a more durable surface to hold up to my kids. I've never worked with cob or earthen plasters but I'm fairly experienced with traditional lath and plaster as I've done a bit of historically sensitive restoration work on the main floor.

The solution I'm hoping will be appropriate is to cob over the walls using clay from the backyard. The straw will hopefully take a bit of the edge off the winter cold coming through. Then finish with either a lime wash or lime plaster as deemed necessary for durability. Will the cob stick to the concrete or will I need to screw up some metal lath? Most of the surface is pretty rough with 2-3" deep crevices scattered around the wall a few patches of remarkably smooth (but far from troweled smooth) surface. (Remember, this foundation was poured in 1919.)

I also have a couple interior stud walls that need a new skin on it. Since I hate drywall with a passion (and can only fit skinny strips of it into the basement, multiplying the most detestable part of the work), I'd like to use the cob and plaster for that too. Would wood lath nailed to the studs be adequate to hold the cob or should I improvise a wattle between the studs? I don't want to add much more thickness to those walls than what was there to begin with but a little extra beef in the wall would hold heat better as it does get a bit of sun in the winter.

Does the cow manure really make that big a difference in durability? How fresh does it really have to be. That stuff is hard to find in the city and will require some logistical planning to retrieve it from a friend's farm.

Am I deliriously naive or is this a reasonable plan? Other suggestions/improvements? Is there an equally cheap solution that would be faster? Winter is coming and I'd like the kids to be settled into their improved space before it gets too terribly cold (by Thanksgiving-ish at the latest).

Thanks in advance for the feedback. (c:

10 years ago
Well aware of cave in risk. Oehler 's recommendation to cut vertical cliff faces rather than tapered raised all sorts of flags for me.

We average 18" of precipitation annually and it's spread over a long "wet" season. People still talk about the 3" of rain we got in one night a few years ago. Soil saturation is very rare here. That said, anything is possible and I want to include safeguards for that possibility. I may dig the entire thing out with a spoon but I'm not planning to do it recklessly. (c:
11 years ago
Thanks Ruffus. All excellent advice. Just the sort of practical (and understandably cautious) advice I was hoping for. (2nd, of course to someone who's already done the same thing.)

I'm looking up that book now and it never occurred to me that I could search for other people's past permits.

I am working on a SketchUp model to post but since it'll be for my own use too I'm taking the time to make accurate drawings. In the meantime, I'll let my convoluted description stand.

Btw, concrete pier foundations are very stable here when the piers are completely surrounded by soil but I'm skeptical of it's stability under a one-sided lateral load. That's why I am looking into wood piers.
11 years ago