elle sagenev

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Zone 5 Wyoming
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We have an excavator and a tractor we use. We also have 2 small kids. I've been really worried about running them over. They tend to love to follow the tractor around. Now you've given me something else to panic about.
1 week ago
We keep all our animals in their respective fences (we usually free range) and have a neighbor come throw food over the fences. The dogs would rip them up if they went IN the fence so just throwing it over is all we require.

Tyler Ludens wrote:Looks more like a Plantain (Plantago species) than a grass.


edible and useful

Yes, Thank you!
2 weeks ago
I hadn't ever noticed it before and now we have TONS!
2 weeks ago
I've done A LOT and you could say I've done most of it with recycled materials. Pallets make up my kitchen wall cladding. Metal sheeting that's been on our property forever is our fireplace surround, etc.

We've also paid to have things done. We had all our windows and doors replaced and we paid for that. Since then I've replaced every door we paid to have done. They were done so poorly. At this point we've decided if we are going to be disappointed in the work we might as well do it ourselves.

I think use recycled stuff when you can but I didn't skimp on the framework. I bought 2x4's for that.
3 weeks ago

Joseph Lofthouse wrote:

elle sagenev wrote:yup. In Wyoming the mountains have trees, the rivers have trees and everywhere else there are trees, people did it.

When I was a child, I planted about 300 trees with my father into Zone 5. Approximately 10 of them are still alive.

The winds are the worst I've ever seen here. Even heavily watered trees are dying. So I feel that!
3 weeks ago

Joseph Lofthouse wrote:Elle: Why are you opening your hives? What are your goals? I ask, because I don't fuss around in the brood boxes at all... I don't care if they build burr comb, or bridge comb, because I'm not in a habit of disturbing the brood boxes. I take the honey supers off, once a year, and scrape off whatever burr comb gets in my  way, but other than that, I allow them to build comb how they will, and don't try to correct the bees. I figure that less disturbance is easier on me, and easier on the bees.

Because everything says you need to look ever 9-11 days to make sure everything is in order. Even the local bee group says that. And since nothing has been in order as it "should" with mine I end up bothering a lot of comb.
3 weeks ago

Phil Stevens wrote:

Tyler Ludens wrote:

Marco Banks wrote:  But in your case, zone 5 would be a prairie ecosystem.

It would only be prairie if the elements of prairie were restored - fire and bison.  Otherwise it will naturally become forest.  Our land, once Tallgrass Prairie, is now almost entirely covered with forest.  The management needed to return the land to prairie would eliminate the possibility of it being actual Zone 5.  There are people who believe that the grazing behavior of domestic cattle is sufficiently different from that of bison for the two species to not be considered interchangeable.

Example reference:  http://www.bioone.org/doi/10.2111/REM-D-12-00113.1

The presence of domestic grazing animals on land would make it by definition not Zone 5 in Mollisonian permaculture.

Tyler, you raise a couple of great points. However, west of the 100th meridian, undisturbed prairie would turn more into scrubland/savanna than forest, and from Kansas southward there would be a lot of cactus and yucca in that scrub. Especially as the climate warms and that region dries out to become the Great American Desert after all.

Also. you point out that massive herds of grazing animals were an integral part of the prairie in its precolonial state. I'd say that qualifies a mob (even a domestic one) as part of zone 5 by function if managed in a way that produces similar effects. I guess we have to admit that we're only working with certain features and we probably won't teach cattle to make wallows. Maybe run some hogs around as well?

yup. In Wyoming the mountains have trees, the rivers have trees and everywhere else there are trees, people did it.
3 weeks ago

Miles Flansburg wrote:Hey elle if you need someone close by to come and take a look you might try and get a hold of Michael Jordan of A Bee Friendly Company in Cheyenne. Have you met him?

I've been to his house. He sold me my first bees. :P I'll call him if it gets too bad!
3 weeks ago
I am in the middle of that declining grassland. Wheat fields all around me and where there are people there are horses. Lots of horses. That's what killed our land. We've been planting a bazillion seeds, doing earthworks and...planting trees. There is no way we'll ever turn out property into a food forest. I've accepted that. I want trees though. I want shade. I want fruit and nuts. Me, Me, Me. The area around where I've been planting trees looks great. The area where I haven't done anything, still dead. So I'll keep on keeping on and rest assured woodlands would be a fairy dream in my area.
3 weeks ago