Tyler Ludens wrote:Looks more like a Plantain (Plantago species) than a grass.
edible and useful
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:
elle sagenev wrote:yup. In Wyoming the mountains have trees, the rivers have trees and everywhere else there are trees, people did it.
When I was a child, I planted about 300 trees with my father into Zone 5. Approximately 10 of them are still alive.
Joseph Lofthouse wrote:Elle: Why are you opening your hives? What are your goals? I ask, because I don't fuss around in the brood boxes at all... I don't care if they build burr comb, or bridge comb, because I'm not in a habit of disturbing the brood boxes. I take the honey supers off, once a year, and scrape off whatever burr comb gets in my way, but other than that, I allow them to build comb how they will, and don't try to correct the bees. I figure that less disturbance is easier on me, and easier on the bees.
Phil Stevens wrote:
Tyler Ludens wrote:
Marco Banks wrote: But in your case, zone 5 would be a prairie ecosystem.
It would only be prairie if the elements of prairie were restored - fire and bison. Otherwise it will naturally become forest. Our land, once Tallgrass Prairie, is now almost entirely covered with forest. The management needed to return the land to prairie would eliminate the possibility of it being actual Zone 5. There are people who believe that the grazing behavior of domestic cattle is sufficiently different from that of bison for the two species to not be considered interchangeable.
Example reference: http://www.bioone.org/doi/10.2111/REM-D-12-00113.1
The presence of domestic grazing animals on land would make it by definition not Zone 5 in Mollisonian permaculture.
Tyler, you raise a couple of great points. However, west of the 100th meridian, undisturbed prairie would turn more into scrubland/savanna than forest, and from Kansas southward there would be a lot of cactus and yucca in that scrub. Especially as the climate warms and that region dries out to become the Great American Desert after all.
Also. you point out that massive herds of grazing animals were an integral part of the prairie in its precolonial state. I'd say that qualifies a mob (even a domestic one) as part of zone 5 by function if managed in a way that produces similar effects. I guess we have to admit that we're only working with certain features and we probably won't teach cattle to make wallows. Maybe run some hogs around as well?
Miles Flansburg wrote:Hey elle if you need someone close by to come and take a look you might try and get a hold of Michael Jordan of A Bee Friendly Company in Cheyenne. Have you met him?