elle sagenev

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Oh man mama, I feel you. I feel like a failure every single time they get electronic time. I'm really trying to stop that though. My husband made a very logical argument FOR Saturday morning cartoons. I grew up watching them, so did he, we are both smart successful people. So now our kids get up and watch some cartoons Saturday mornings (we only have Netflix).

I think we need to have limits set. After writing this post I discussed it with my husband and we came up with Screen Time Rules. I copied those rules below for ya.  2 hours is a lot of screen time. I argued for one, he argued for more, we compromised. My husband sent me a picture of our son cleaning the toilet to earn extra screen time today. It wasn't on the earning list but he gets really creative about earning money and electronics time. So we have set rules now and I feel better. I am happy with no electronics during the week. I can live with some vegging during the weekend. Particularly since it's cold out.

I'd encourage you to have this talk with your spouse and set your own rules.

Oh and I am going to break all of these in January. I'm gearing up for it. Our daughter is having a cataract removed in her right eye. She's going to have to patch her left eye for 2 hours a day to train her mind to use an eye it's never been able to see out of before. The Dr. told us this was going to be ROUGH. Really rough for the first bit. He suggested giving her screen time. Something that doesn't require too much effort on her part while she's learning to see. So, in January my kids will probably be watching TV for 2 hours every day until our daughter can see. He did suggest giving her a tablet to play the games. We thought about it. I researched tablets. I thought we could buy them each one for Christmas. I just couldn't do it though. Reading the reviews and seeing all those tiny kids glued to tablets, I couldn't do it.

Nicole Alderman wrote:This subject hits close to home for me. I've got a 2 and 5 year old. Back in college (like 2004), I read a lot of studies about the affects of screens upon the developing mind. Back then, people were only really writing about TV--the internet hadn't become the monster that it is now. But, the big problems with screens were

(1) physical inactivity
(2) lack of interaction--TV is very passive. There person only receives info. There's no back-and-forth like in a conversation.
(3) violence
(4) the constant changes that act as dopamine hits and reduce attention spans. Watch a kid's show and count how many times in a given minute the camera changes to a new shot. It's usually more than once per second! That's not natural for a child's brain.

The internet has taken the downsides of TV and magnified them. Kids are still inactive, and with autoplay; they are still very passive; it's ridiculously easy to run across violent videos/images; and the constant changes are even more magnified. You scroll through facebook and there's constantly new info/statuses that aren't connected in any logical sense. It's just one new thing after another, with additional dopamine hits from likes/comments.

Since I knew screens were bad, we tried really hard to limit them for our kids. I did better with my son than with my daughter. I think I made it to pretty much 18 months without him watching any screens, and when I started letting him see things, it was THE SAME VIDEO OVER AND OVER. That way his brain could actually process the info and make sense of it. So he watched the same 15 minutes of Frozen every day, while I used the bathroom. And as he got older, he got a bit more, but it was largely informational videos on youtube, and he watched those over and over. It helped that we had limited data on our satellite Internet, so we tried hard to not use it up.

But, I couldn't do nearly as well with my daughter. Since my son was watching videos, she saw them. And I still feel like an utter failure for that. And, my husband decided about the time that she was 1 that video games were awesome to play with my son. So he'd play Hot Wheels game on the old gamecube for half an hour+ every day with my son, to my utter horror. And now they watch videos together on youtube. So some days they'll spend more than 2 hours in front of screens. And when I try to drag my son away, he acts like an addict.

Thankfully, my daughter is generally not as interested in screens as my son, and gets bored easily. She had a few that she liked, so she watched Sir Patrick Stewart's Country Classics over and over and over again, while I tried to cook dinner or when she was sick (I view screens as drugs, and do use them when my kids are sick to keep them calm and restful so they can heal).

I'm grateful we don't have cellphones or Ipads (we have one of the latter, but it's not connected to the internet, and my son usually just used it to take pictures and video after video of himself.) And, since we only have one computer, it really helps from the kids getting to sit and surf like they can on an ipad or cellphone.

But, it's SO HARD. We've only done as well as we have because we don't have TV service, or mobile devices. But even just a TV for video games and computer, and we're spending a lot of time at screens wasting out minds away when we could be playing, imagining, building, learning.

It's also really hard to keep the kids from screens because, as a parent, you want a break. Zoning out in front of a computer is a nice break...but then the kids zone out with you. My husband wants to zone out and bond over playing video games and watching car races on youtube, and I want to zone out and scroll through facebook or watch an informational video on youtube, but whenever we do these things, the kids are sucked into the computer, too.

It's hard. So very hard.


a. Friday-Sunday only
i. Unless there is a holiday, then at parent discretion
2. Screen time may be earned during the week but cannot be used until the weekend
a. See screen time earning sheet
3. Screen time is limited to 2 hours per day
a. Unless it is family screen time. Then it is at parents discretion
4. Earned screen time can be taken away for excessive whining, begging, bad behavior attempted to gain screen time during non-screen time days.
4 hours ago

Joel Bercardin wrote:First I’ll say, Elle, that I agree with your viewpoint as you’ve explained it.  I could elaborate, but I think that’s not necessary.

I’ve seen your posts on various threads, and you may have explained your situation.  Are you a single parent?  Or, do you have a significant other who makes/builds?  The reason I ask is that I remember starting to be interested in bicycle mechanics, sawing & pounding nails into lumber, and all that sort of thing around age seven.  With many boys this not a bad thing to begin to encourage at that age… make or fix something instead of watching a screen.  Because it can begin, even in a small way, and can become (pardon any pun) a constructive stream in a boy’s life.

Hopng these comments don’t seem irrelevant.

I’ve seen Youtubes of 16 year old boys who have completed a tiny house on their own, because someone started teaching them woodworking, in a safe manner, when they were younger.  That’s something to be much prouder of, as a teenage guy, than being skilled at online gaming.

Another thing I remember doing at around age seven was taking apart a mechanical clock — of the sort that you can usually find in fair abundance at places like thrift stores.  I think I just needed a screwdriver to do that.  I don’t believe I was able to put it back together, but the exploration fascinated me.  Just some thoughts.

I am happily married to a wonderful man. I'm the builder though. The kids have helped me knock down walls, build walls, paint, etc. I kept busy while I wasn't working by remodeling. My son doesn't have an interest in that though. He'll hammer a bit but it's not his thing. My daughter loves it so we build birdhouses and such together.

My son is interested in driving. We live out and let him sit on our lap and drive down the farming road to grandma and grandpas and such. He likes to dig with the tractors as well. My husband does do the car work. I suppose we could send our son out to "help" him change the oil and such. He may enjoy that. Never thought about it before. Thanks!
4 hours ago

Tereza Okava wrote:kale, chard, dandelion/bitter greens
spaghetti squash
sweet corn
snap beans
runner beans
fava beans
chinese noodle/aparagus beans (elle-- you're going to love them!)
hot peppers
green onions and korean/chinese scallions (nira)
(in other words, mostly things I have a hard time finding in the store)

I would love to grow tomatoes but the pest problem is impossible to overcome and I haven't found anything that works against these crazy stem boring beetles we have. I did have a tomato come up under a covered area in my yard that is protected from the beasts, and it is HUGE and very prolific. Not sure I want to put up a greenhouse just for tomatoes but quite frankly I'm thinking about it.

loofah! Now that's something I should try!!

Ya'll are giving me great ideas thanks so much!
22 hours ago

Bryant RedHawk wrote:First and foremost pawpaw is an understory tree, do not try to plant one less than four years old in even almost full sun, they will get sunburned and die.

Look for: deep shade with evenly moist soil that stays that way even in draught times (not at the surface but within a foot of the surface).
This is where you want to plant either seeds or young trees, and no where else.

In Nature pawpaw trees are found along streams, not next to them but along them, usually around 20 to 50 feet from the stream bank.
There will be an over story that provided deep shade until the tree is old enough to reach some dappled sunlight, as the tree gets taller it will seek out more and more sun.
This is why most nature grown pawpaw trees are tall with only crown branches.


I planted the last 3 on the berm around my livestock pond. Far enough from the water they wouldn't be in it but I'd heard they liked humidity so I was trying to provide it with the pond.

The place I have to plant them is the north side of a big tall barn. It'll be shaded almost completely except for mornings.
23 hours ago

S Bengi wrote:I would say transplant your pawpaw in the fall. As long as the soil isn't frozen get them in.
Make the holes as big and deep as possible but don' amend the soil, you can top dress.
They love water, and compost, I just place a wormbin there and added compost daily.
I shaded mines, with white trash bags that I ripped.
Get the 12inch skiny pot when you buy them vs a regular (short pot).

I have another set (9plants) that I planted and they didn't get much babying.
Nice mulching, top dress with biochar, and they have natural afternoon shade.

There is another batch that is struggling/dead due to the wildlife (deer, critters)
They were not planted in the shade or in the fall either.

Pawpaw are only hardy to zone 5 so, look for a cultivar that was developed in a zone 5 area, and also provide it with some winter wind protection at least for the 1st year. It is also okay to prune them even while they are super short

I'll be buying more in as I only have dead trees :P

I'll try to mulch them more. I haven't done that barely at all.

Wind. Now that's my problem! Perhaps a snow fence around them or some pallets to block the wind. Hmmm
23 hours ago
Hey all, I'm having some paw paw problems. I've planted 6, all at various times and in various places. I thought the last batch survived as I planted them next to my livestock pond. Unfortunately they did not. I want to try again, because I'm an idiot, and am thinking about location again. I have an orchard going in our yard. It connects to our big barn. In fact a fair bit of area is completely shaded by the barn for all but morning sun. I had been putting covers around my paw paws to protect them from sun burn but I'm wondering if I put them here if I need to do that and if they'll have a better chance of survival. Opinions?
23 hours ago

David Livingston wrote:We are into triomino here very easy to learn


I grew up playing that! Love it!

We have TONS of games. If you want a list of my kids fav games I can get that out but for a few adults and maybe some kids we like:




If you have about 6 people our favorite games are:



Smart Ass

1 day ago

I am a limiter of electronics. I know, I know, I'm on it right now. The funny thing is I'm at work. I almost never get on the computer when I'm home. When I didn't work for 2 years I was almost never on the computer.

Now my kids have been on YouTube and I confess I've heard the finger family song more than I wish. However, the computer is in the living room, it's limited and it's supervised. Am I perfect? No. But I enjoy my kids whining about being the only ones they know without a tablet. I consider that a parenting win!

I have nieces and nephews who aren't limited at all with technology and I've been completely shocked to look at what they are watching. I had a young nephew watching videos about child rapists. An even younger nephew playing a game on the phone (he knows how to download his own games and he's 4 ya'll) that I wouldn't play it was so scary. Anything that's dark and has a bloody hand leading you shouldn't be seen as ok.

I'm told it's ok. I shouldn't limit them. They're going to need to know how to use computers and such to live in the real world. It's not THAT bad.

My son, who is 7, talks non-stop about Minecraft. You'd think he was on it all the time the way he talks. He does chores around the house to earn time to play and he's highly motivated to earn that time. Even with how limited he is I just want to quit the entire thing. I feel like it changes his entire attitude after he plays and Minecraft is supposed to be a really educational, good for you game. We have a timer, we tell him when it goes off he has to get off. We talk about how we expect him to get off without throwing a fit and even still, he gets upset. It's like taking away drugs from an addict.

This video does help cement my No Youtube view though. Scary stuff can be shown to your children!
1 day ago
I'm sure I'll get flak for this but I have anxiety that prevents me from breathing. Really freaky stuff. So I don't keep track of the news anymore. I don't keep track of nearly anything. It's amazing how happy I am. I greatly suggest it! I pretty much eliminated people who suck from my life as well. It's amazing how nice it is to "unfriend" people online and in real life. Really eliminates so much negativity and stress.
1 day ago
My family isn't big on squash. We eat zucchini and yellow squash but have barely eaten other varieties. I'm hoping to change that and have some squash seeds that will hopefully be a hit. Patty pan and sweet dumpling squash will be given space in the garden this year.

I'm also trying chinese noodle beans.  We eat a lot of green beans but I've not had much success growing a sufficient amount to can or keep before. So I decided to try some novelty varieties for fresh eating.

We enjoy peas but just the amount of space I'd have to give to them to get enough for us to eat a year isn't worth it. So I'll grow peas in the kid garden for them to pick and eat fresh and that's it. Same with radish, kid garden item.

I'd like to grow more garlic, onion and potato. Not huge success with them in the past but I do hope to change that and I'm willing to give them more space.

I'm not going to bother with most greens. I'll try cabbage again. I'll try chard again. I'll try amaranth for the first time. Otherwise I can't keep them from the bugs so don't even bother trying. Maybe I'll try doing a row of these with a net over the top. Not sure yet.

Going to devote a fair bit of space to tomatoes. I really enjoy canning tomatoes and we eat a fair bit of them.

Peppers will get some space. I'm planning spice varieties so I'll probably only need a couple successful plants to fulfill our needs.

so my big garden plan is to split our orchard space in half. Half of it will go to a new row crop garden and the other half has all the trees and berry bushes. I'm thinking I can plant the squash around the trees and such so I don't have to waste row crop space on them. Interested to see how that works out.
1 day ago