Mark Burrows

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Eric Markov wrote:How did it go?



So far its worked well thanks - a few hiccups but generally good.

The clover I planted initially didn't come up well (we had a dry spell and I didn't realise how much water it needed) but after that I planted clover at the same time as beetroot, spinach, perpetual spinach, leeks, cabbage, brocoli, cauliflower, carrots, kale, brussel sprouts and they all worked well. The carrots looked overcrowded but were fine. The beetroot and spinach needed to be uncovered occasionally, but otherwise the veg grew above the clover so there were/are no real overcrowding problems

I also grew pumpkins which started ok, but they suffered from powdery mildew which may or may not have been caused by the clover, but I doubt if it helped. So if anyone has any good organic remedies it'd be appreciated...?

There was a fair bit of slug damage but not more than my allotment neighbours and perhaps even a bit less. The clover was quite nibbled in places so perhaps the slugs ate that instead.

Overall, whilst I'm not sure how much the clover added during this first season - partly as it was slower to mature than I expected - the main benefits for me are that I've gone from starting with a weedy unhappy allotment to a much better allotment with nice green healthy clover areas suppressing weeds and improving soil, so I'm happy.

Next year I'll start planting directly in the clover, maybe cutting it back hard or I'm thinking of cutting small discs of cardboard to put in the clover and create little clover free zones a few weeks before and plant in those and I'll try and report back if anyone is interested.


9 years ago
Thanks everyone for the replies.

I'm now pretty excited that this can work well - so I've raked up and then sewn some Dutch white clover seeds on an old tired area of dry bare earth (not my fault I'm new to the plot) to bring some life to that area and hopefully chop and drop my way towards a reasonable planting bed for next year. And in a few weeks (when my growing veg seem big enough to cope) i'll start sewing some amongst my other beds.

In a few months i'd hope to have a growing patch of clover on a recovering bit of land and some veg swimming in a small green clover sea.

And if all goes to plan then by this time next year I'll be planting everything into a rich(er) well mulched living carpet!

Will see how it goes...
9 years ago
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for the replies and the link. 

For anyone else interested in this I also found these related threads useful:

https://permies.com/t/6540/organic/clover-Living-mulch
https://permies.com/t/36842/gardening-beginners/clover-living-mulch-work
https://permies.com/t/22030/hugelkultur/White-Clover-covered-Hugel-Beds

From these and from the link from Jessica I've come to the following conclusions:

Planting in white clover works great for some conditions but not for others - I'll need to try it out myself to see if it works well here for me.

I might be able to just peel back the clover for planting, but I may need to heavily suppress the clover around new starts perhaps with cardboard, plastic or woodchips to stop competition.

May not work well with slow growing low growing veg eg onions or carrots.

If its too aggressive for my conditions then using it for the walkways and using the cuttings as mulch for the beds and letting the worms do the work (thanks S Bengi) sounds like a good fall back plan.

If anyone has anything thoughts/additions/corrections/whatevers on this I'd love to hear them!

Thanks,
Mark
9 years ago
Hi,

I am thinking about creating a living mulch of dutch white clover on my allotment vegetable beds as from what I've read it would have a variety of benefits including weed suppression, nitrogen fixing and soil enrichment when regularly mown as well as protecting the bare earth.

I would then like to either plant into, or peel or cut back the clover to plant my veg.

However, the main downside (from my reading) seems to be that the clover might out compete some veggies if not well managed or perhaps even if it is well managed.

What I'm hoping is that someone here has tried this or similar and could give some general advice on the idea as well as advice on what veggies work well with Dutch white clover or which ones to keep separate?

I've not tried anything like this before so any advice or comments welcome!

Thanks,
Mark


9 years ago