John Hutter

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Central Oregon Coast and Cascade Range, valley side.
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ewwwww dead of winter



huzzah its spring.   With some kind of a nest, last year.  Now it's the endpoint of a 1 m high hugel I did this past fall

1 day ago
Fermenting green tomatoes with chilies is something I've done for 4 years now, with 20 or so pounds of green tomatoes and 10 pounds of chilis, come autumn frosts.  After it ferments for about 8 weeks, I puree it, pour it into 10 or 12 quart jars and put them in the freezer to eat year round.  Remove a jar from the freezer and add some allium, cumin and coriander to taste. It's a little too sour to eat like a salsa with chips I think, but honey or shredded carrot or something can fix that.  I usually cook with it.  Mash it up with avocado and it's like the best guacamole ever.
1 week ago
I tried the pines and firs here (western cedar, ponderosa pine, doug, noble and grand fir) for making tea, and grand fir is the winner I think.  If any of the pine/fir teas are made with hot water, they seem to taste like medicine.  If you take a small bunch of grand fir that is the newer lighter-green growth (but not so young as to not have flattened out yet - that stuff tastes real funky) with a strong bright scent, scissor it to bits and cold brew it for a day, the taste almost reminds me as much of lemon zest as it does of pine.  Cold brewed tea made of grand fir, cicely, and some chanterelle powder is floral and fruity and I drink it regularly.   Granted, it's not as tasty as the mango ceylon tea, or the rooibos with sweet cinnamon, molasses and coconut milk, but it's not bad and I bet it is health-boosting nutrition by comparison.  Assuming you aren't hurting for want of calories - then I'd take the molasses and coconut milk. haha.
1 week ago
Winter storm shows up to say, you should start landscaping here;


ahh, not such a mess anymore.  Also hugeling on hill in background;


finally get around to imposing increasingly lush and tasty order.  Seed tossed salad bar;


the poor hillside that was first covered in english ivy and then sprayed with Roundup after the ivy was removed.  It was such sun-baked subsoil brick clay that even the grass didn't take for on it for few years.


ahh, much better. Hard to tell, but its almost the same frame as previous photo. The grey pot in bottom right and the azalea on its left didn't move.  


cluster lilly + itty bitty mystery sprouts in deep moss


fawn lilly + fava beans


newts show up to hump in my shallow ~5x7 pond-lined water lens paddy.  OMG so honored


garden spidies on purple brocollini


stairway to blackberries


blackberries started wild and some of the rhizomes have a 20 year head start on the other 20 or so fruits I planted in recent years.  Looking oh so fugly with all the dead growth in the dead of winter;


ahh, much better


here we go again
1 month ago
I was blessed enough to find myself in white oak Savannah.   The grey Squirrel population was saturated.  I have heard and seen the raccoons, climbing 100 feet into grand or doug fir to kill and eat them a few times.  It's one of the most vicious nastiest interactions I've ever heard.  Funny how raccoons can be adorable, or sound like a demon.  And the way the Squirrels beep like guinea pigs is so goddam sad.  I wonder if this is a dying squirrel, or a mother lamenting the loss of her young.  The raccoon snarls sound like a fight, but I haven't seen what is actually happening up in the canopy, only the raccoons descending after the deed is done.

The point, we have a lot of wild hazelnut and oak on this 3 acres.  To reduce my consumption of industrial agriculture, I decided, MINE.  

There is no way around it.  Anywhere there is continuous canopy, the squirrels are better at it, and will beat me to it (the nuts).   I guess in another sense I am lucky, as they have never messed with my squash or tomato plants in my 5 years here.

I shot 3 grey squrriels with a Russian made pellet gun.  My diet is 99% vegan based on emotional rather than health principles, but I'll kill and eat a few squirrels to reduce my amplification of industrial agriculture.  Two out of three of those deaths were nasty and came to a second shot, after a  period of fleeing.  No, let's not do that again if it's not a life or death effort.    

You also wouldn't be able to grow a thing here the deer eat.   I'm still torn between the idea, that instead of bothering with fencing and putting up barbed wire which has hooked and slashed a few deer that were courageous enough to jump in and I had to chase out, I should have just shot to kill

I feel the humane solution is, if you aren't going to wait on owls or cats, which may or may not be able to catch squirrels based on your garden and tree layout, is figure 4 dead fall traps.  If you aren't going to get to leave this world by falling asleep and not waking up, a swift blow to the head is about the best way to do it.  Can confirm, seeing as how I've lost consciousness twice as a result of this, and you don't feel a thing until you wake up (snowboarding, climbing, whew I'm still here.)  Deadfall traps work, the only problem is you can kill a curious domestic cat or raccoon with them as well. Oh no, it has a collar...

I am hoping, that if I reduce the squirrel population but don't kill them all, they'll collect acorns and hazelnuts for me.  I'm going to try putting up my nut pipes this summer.  Awesome.
9 months ago
"Do I have a sweet thing on my head?"

"OMG YER A UNICORN!"

10 months ago
I've got two cents that some might find helpful, from a mechanical perspective.

Most rigorously active people have herniated discs or otherwise shredded connective tissue that doesn't seem to heal, the pain doesn't go away.   Scar tissue, in my left knee, lower back, a high dislocated rib on my right side that didn't quite get back into it's ligament fitting.   I'll play the optimistic placebo card and say, it can heal back and be stronger than it was before. It's just that critically shredded connective tissues takes about a decade of flawlessly executed physical therapy and nutrition to pull off the full heal.  If you push that weakest link just a little too hard once, what was going to take 2 weeks to heal, is now going to take 2 months.  Push it way too hard and your back at square one.   Everyone does this, some people learn not to.

With regard to gardening permaculture work, this is almost always lifting and shoveling too much.  The same motion, over, and over and......4-8 hours later, over again.  

This is often like a marathon runner trying to push through the pain and run so many miles without rest, after just a few months of training.   Just a few months of training, after living 20-30 years and rarely if ever running more than 5 miles.  This has a tendency to ruin and consume the connective tissue in your knees.  Not recommended.  However, if you take a decade to slowly work your way up to that many miles, it is possible to run marathons without consuming connective tissues.

Taking to lifting and shoveling 4-8 hours a day, day after day, is more or less the same thing.  Except instead of knees, it's the lower backs.   Thus the reputation for being, "back breaking labor."  

Accused of that, I want to argue back, only if you do it wrong!  It's only "back breaking" if you do too much too fast.  With proper rest and nutrition, it's back building labor!  And now they're rolling their eyes at me.

When starting any new physical pursuit, spend a pain free month doing it for say, an hour, before you raise it up to 90 minutes.  Then another month before going for 2 hours.   The body takes months and years, not weeks, to build itself up to handle new joint stresses in a way that does not result in accumulating deterioration.  

If chronic, persistant, nagging pain appears, stop doing it so much.  If you can manage.  Thus the mental flexibility to give up on and change plans in response to pain is integral to healing.   There's a huge amount of bad backs out there, with the primary fault: what do you mean, stop? No pain no gain.  And now we've failed to get the necessary rest.

I do think the 2nd most important thing I learned with regard to garden work and back pain, is the relationship between compression and it's inverse of being pulled apart, elongation, stretching.  Lets go with stretch.  

The inverse relationship between compression and stretching.

If you bend at the waist to lift something, all the connective tissue on the side of your spine facing your guts is compressed, all the connective tissue on the backside of the spine is stretched.   People often say back pain or "bad back" and do not further develop their understanding.  I think it's often useful to think a little further.  More specifically and most commonly they mean, they have a specific clump of connective tissues in their spine that has been over stressed with compression, back pain for short.

If you lift 100% with your legs, like drop your butt to your heels and stick dat ass out far enough to invert your spine, and then grip and lift an object while maintaining this posture through the entire lift, the compression on the inside of your spine has been mostly relieved, now it's the backside of the spine being mostly compressed.  If you have a disciplined amount of back/shoulder flexibility and take a look at your lifting form in a mirror, you can actually get that line of force that goes from set back shoulders to the heels, to pass right through the lowest vertebrae of your inverted spine.  Congratulations!  The inside of your lower back is now being stretched under lifting, like +10 to back endurance.  Unfortunately objects are commonly unwieldy and do not allow this form, beware.  And even more unfortunately, it is very common for contemporary peeps to have lived in a way that resulted in their lower vertebrate becoming largely ossified in a straight or bent forward position by age 40.   At this point you cannot so invert the forces being applied on your spine while lifting...or maybe you can reverse ossification, I've just never read about it.

I was fortunate enough to have picked up a back bending habit in my early 20's, and only be 30 while being nagged by a healing back injury for the third time in my life. I was surprised to discover a few years back that back bends, bridges, and then light lifting with a highly inverted back, felt good on the most recent injury, even though bending forward with no extra weight was still slightly painful.   I suspect this is because gently stretching out connective tissue injured via over compression, helps it heal.  I am not a physical therapist, just speculating on personal experience.

This front/back compression/stretch thing also goes for less common torque/shear injuries had in left or right handed physical activities.  It was a shoulder injury that got me to try switching sides with a shovel.  After however many hundreds of hours shoveling with my right hand at the back of the shovel and my right foot back, I put my left hand at the back of the shovel and my left foot back. After feeling through the awkward new motion, I found that shoveling left handed was almost a completely new set of muscles.  This resulted in a significant increase in the amount of time I could spend at rigorous shoveling before sensing lower back fatigue.   That's another often overlooked one that can prevent a lot of injuries, sensing an exhaustion in joints that has nothing to do with skeletal muscle or pain.  

You can also rock the bonus to lifting endurance granted by ambidexterity, by moving a loaded 5 gallon bucket held in the left hand, for each one you move held in the right.

Certified Two cents.  Just in case, FYI, happy backs and lifting in the garden!









11 months ago
I've found that almonds and pumpkin seeds that have undergone a few days of the sprouting process (soaked in water for 24 hours, then drained and rinsed, left in a dark place and thoroughly rinsed each day for 3 days I usually do) before being either dehydrated or baked, have a deeper and superior flavor than if the nuts or seeds are only cooked.  I would bet, plum and many other stone fruit seeds are eminently edible under this process.   I also do this to my grains, even though it makes them taste more like grass than a killer french baguette, because I have met 2 people in their mid 60's who are all but bouncing off the wall with good energy.  What do you eat?  A lot of sprouts...eat to live?  It's alive, it's alive!





Could always just be mistaken correlation, but I can also get pulled into the practice just for the appearance, even if stone fruit seeds will only make a tiny little node of a sprout after a week.
1 year ago
I'm off topic here, but it seemed fitting to reply under the freebie presentation which caused it.

Funny, after so many years I hear that name again.  Viktor Schauberger.  Shit, remember that?

I'm a nut for the golden ratio, so much so that when I thought I understood the bestest most awesome representation of it, I went for it as best as I could, despite feeling repelled by the appearance counterintelligence science fiction and fantasy - something about a golden sun and Gnatsies in flying saucers.  I couldn't forget about it though, because there's golden ratios and golden shofars in the Himalayan Blackberry.   It's literally poking me and pulling my hair.  But I can't be caught doing anything but rolling my eyes and scowling at such nonsense.  But...but...Operation Paperclip is verifiable, and Schauberger's place with in it.  Just what the hell were they up too?  Schauberger was just helping the Third Reich move some logs down some novel flumes, Silly nut.  Thus his selection for Paperclip by the central smarts bureau after the war.  Wait, what did Adolph and the central smarts bureau want with a forester again?      

It seemed straightforward enough once I had settled on the geometry, make the damned thing, rig it in into an insulated system and spin some some water through it that is a little warmer than 4 Celsius, make sure that after moving the tank of water through it at say, once per second, no cooling towards 4 C occurs.  Sounds kind of insignificant, but giving a closed system kinetic energy and than having the temperature fall, that's against the 2nd ler of thermodynamics.  Impossible nonsense.  Thus all official channels replying more or less, GFY. The wild guess: move 'some' water through it 'pretty quickly'...  Oh hypothesis and shots in the dark.  

As a 3rd year physics student about to fall away from academia, I was looking at Culoumbs law, and then at Newton's law of gravitation, then at the Biot-Savart law, and reading something about dark energy and dark matter in astronomy.  Hey professor, how do they know there isn't a reflection of the Biot-Savart law? just like Coulomb and Newton are mirroring each other?  "That was researched decades ago, it can't be true because it would violate Parity Symmetry." Says the professor, like duh. Oh, I say.  Keep you stupid mouth shut.

Then years later after college, I'm reading about how some German university experiment apparently violated Parity Symmetry.   It seems there are conditions in which Parity Symmetry does not apply.  I think I should find an official channel and ask, why not a novel force based on mass current, again, but I don't get around to it before the tale of Viktor Schauberger comes along.

I'll go ahead and throw a bit of my life away at some shot in the dark.  It's not like I have anything else I'm compelled to toy around with, and it's not like I have to actually tell anyone what I'm trying falsify.  It's just a turbine.

A few hundred hours of apoplectic focus later, I kind of had a thing.  Turns out, I can has 3-d fibonacci spirals in clay and copy it with silicon rubber molds and wax.



Then it turned out, I fail hard at metallurgy. I doped that damned wax surface with a dozen different things, the smaller test run with some pricey and very noxious smelling silver paint seemed to work.  But then the real run of the electroplating project failed hard.  Oh the effort I put into making a copper disc case to surround my weird sculpture, to be submerged in so many gallons of copper acetate bubbling away with the air pump, a few hundred dollars for the power supply, and current is flowing.  Is it working...?   How low my spirits sank when I pulled that thing out of it's poisonous blue bath days later.  Worthless nodes all over the near points, almost no copper deposited on the inner curves.  Damn it all to hell, why did I ever start wasting my time with this shit.  

Don't give up! You only failed the electroforming step.  You've spent too much time and minimum wage labor money to just give up.  Okay.  I suspect the electroplating is mostly failing because of the complexity of the spiral.  We are about as far away from a simple plane as we can get after all.  A few hours of research later, I decide electroless electroforming is the way to go.  Wait, that's an oxymoron and not a thing, I mean electroless copper forming by solution deposition, I think (still pretty new to metallurgy.)  I'm trying to find out, just how long will it take, just how many times would you have to change the bath to get say, a copper surface 1mm thick.  It's looking like, a lot of times.  It's going to cost, thousands dollars.  I work part time for minimum wage.  I can't throw most of what I earn in a year at silly shots in the dark. I ask lots of people before I drop it, but nobody in anything resembling an official channel with resources whom I happen to email seems to want to hear a damned thing about 3d Fibonacci spirals.  Sigh.  Looks like I better move on.

I encounter Schauberger's name again for the first time in something like 7 years.  In a presentation by Zachary Weiss.  Go figure.  I hope you enjoyed the trip down memory lane...

Anyways, the point, comrades and resources might have been encountered.  I figured I'd ask, as Wheaton Labs has presenters bringing up Schauberger, even if it is only with reference to the water cycle. So....if any skeptical but not quite 100% certainly bogus readers of Schauberger are up for a pain in the ass metallurgy project, probably not, but you never never know, it could be worth the while.

Also I just realized, my spiral had to be large enough that I could work it into form out of clay, somewhat accurately by hand. Muh digits be big.  I reckon, that iffun one was able (might not be possible because the shape is awfully wrapped around itself...) to use a 3d printer to create an itty bitty 3 dimenshy fibonacci spiral, you could make the wax whirly-pipe-spoked wheel 10x smaller, thus reducing the electroless forming and rigging/testing cost by factor of about 10.  Shit! I should get on that.  So busy trying to be like Sepp and live a little, I don't think I'll make it alone.  If someone didn't falsify it already.  Google search returns on "testing Schauberger's turbine" don't seem to return any accounts of actual tests on anything resembling actual 3D fibonacci spirals. The pure math approach photographed wasn't quite a kudu horn, if I had all the time in the world I'd try a few iterations and see them fail before I said, okay, some asshole wrote some excellent wabbit hole counterintelligence. Google seems to only supply the same old ghost stories.

Clearly, nobody wants to be caught in public with such nonsense, so anyone who can't help but wonder could express interest in a private channel.  Does the project need some free labor?  Applied maths degree, math modeling sculpture, can continue researching and experimenting with metallurgy process or whatnot. I would gladly throw away quite a bit of time again, just to lay the damned ghost story to rest before my own damned eyes. It haunts.





1 year ago