Delyla Wilson

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The Welsh Sheep dog with its wide genetic base is one of those rare landrace breeds that I believe is the future of stock dog for small food production movements. As such is great that people are guarding them from extinction and protecting them from Kennel Clubs such as the AKC. The English Shepherd is the closest to an all around farm dog like I am speaking of left in the US and its history seems to be one of blending a variety of stock dogs including the Welsh Shepherd. While the English Shepherd is also technically a landrace breed developed in the last 300 years my preference is to explore its longer evolving predecessors.  Your Welsh Sheep Dog seems awesome. I would love to meet some one day.

5 years ago

Redhawk - The AKC and most other Kennel clubs have standards for all breeds and types, especially the working classes of dogs.
Herders are fairly easy to find through local chapters of these Kennel Clubs




The AKC is a primary reason we have lost access to landrace breeds in the US. They promote breeding primarily for a aesthetic and have no concern whether of not that aesthetic supports the working ability of the dog. Top of the line breeding dogs are not required to have any evidence of an ability to work. As mentioned in other comments we do indeed have some great Livestock Guardian Dogs in the US and their number is growing. However, that is primarily the result of a fairly recent influx of landrace LGDs being imported into the US. The reason importing of these dogs became popular is because of the challenges of finding a LGD in the US that could match the raw talent and sturdiness of imported Livestock Guardian Dogs. As far as herding dogs the AKC has nothing to offer. Very few AKC Champion breeding "herding" dogs ever herd in a real life situation, and because of the AKC aesthetic applied to them, very few of them could. Australian Shepherds have become to big-boned and fluffy to do the work they once did; collies have all sorts of eye and other health problems developed to give them that shapely head; german shepherds have been bred bigger with a more slanted top-line causing a number of health issues; and the list could go on. It is rare to find a line in any of these working dogs that win in the conformation ring and have a full-time working dog life at home. AKC herding dogs that can work all day can't win in the show ring. When these exceptions are found, there is typically a long waiting list and a very high price tag. While from a breeders perspective, I understand the high price tag, from a homesteaders prospective I understand that people might not be able to wait 2 years to pay $2000 for a working dog.

As far as going to the pound for a dog, it is you might get a great dog and you might not. If your goal is to give a dog a great home with some work to do to keep them satisfied that easy enough and the local pound is a great way to go about it. However, a canine partner who comes with a known solid inherited skill set as well as the ability to adapt and thrive in your given environment is much more challenging. For that you need to find unbroken lines of working dogs who have evolved to be our partners not our pets.

5 years ago
Canines, People, and Agriculture/Pastoralism:
The Beginning


Peoples’ relationship with dogs started long before we settled in agriculture settlements. Wild canines figured out that, while they could chase prey better than people, we were more efficient killers if they brought prey to us. These canines began hanging around the edge of our camps, eating our leftovers, and roaming with us as we hunted and moved. Eventually, this mutually beneficial relationship led to canines moving into our camps, creating deeper people-canine relationships. As people settled, so did our canine companions, bringing us the first landrace dogs. These were canines that evolved over time, through adaptation to their natural and cultural environment, to become working partners in our agricultural and pastoral systems.

From those humble beginnings, ancient agricultural and pastoral systems, particularly in Europe, evolved in conjunction with these landrace dogs. Dogs protected our livestock from predators, fetched our faster four-legged stock, and kept our grain safe from vermin. Our partnership with dogs allowed us to flourish in an intact ecosystem, which included predators and vermin, without toxic poisons or inhumane traps. These dogs were effective partners in the small-scale food production that, without Whole Foods around the corner, was critical for a family’s survival.

These dogs were also part of the family. Ratters lived in family homes, barns, and gardens where they guarded grain bins, pantries, and food stores from hungry vermin. The farm herding dog fetched, drove, and penned whatever animal needed managed that day. Whether the stock was goats, sheep, cows, pigs or poultry the herding dog was ready to go. In addition, these dogs watched over the children playing outside, announced visitors, and in general tended the area around the farmstead. Livestock guardian dogs (LGDs) stayed with the flocks in fields and barns ensuring their safety from predators large and small; the muscle that backed up the shepherds when trouble arose and the beloved companion to all livestock.

The type, or types, of canine partners a family had depended on need and regional adaptation; many of these working dogs learned to work in other skill areas. A good farm-herder dog hunted rodents, as did many LGDs. Some terriers were also bred to herd a bit and a herding dog would protect the livestock with its life, even when too small to be effective against apex predators. England, Scotland, and Ireland, the epicenter for ratting terriers, geographically had limited large predators, but lots of vermin and other small predators, so small dogs made a lot of sense being both effective and cheap to feed. In Eastern Europe they tended toward large livestock guardian dogs who were capable of both intimidating, and matching the power of, the large apex predators that roamed in the same lands as their flocks. Interwoven into it all was always the general farm dog that stayed by the shepherd’s side; ever ready to do whatever needed to be done.

All of these dogs were smart, critical thinkers who had deep relationships with their families; the people who fed them, tended their wounds, groomed them and helped out with the pups. Herding dogs weren’t trained to herd, ratters weren’t trained to rat, and LGD’s weren’t trained to guard; they were born knowing how to do their job. What they learned was how to communicate and live in relationship with their working partners. The women and young children helped mama dog raise the pups in their homes and barns until they were old enough to go to work. During this time they were socialized with everyone in their family’s community, as well as the animals that lived close to the house. When it was time to leave the house, their shepherd and fellow dogs kept them close; teaching them the ropes and building deep, lifelong relationships.

The peoples raising these dogs were very practical in nature, as one would be if your survival depended on your ability to produce food. The mouths they chose to feed were the ones that most benefited them. A dog that might bite a family member or kill livestock could not be tolerated. Dogs that were not sound enough to keep up with the pace of work that needed to be done were not kept around. In this way, the land-race canines evolved to be healthy dogs that were born knowing the basics of their job and primed to develop deep, working relationships with their human and animal community.

With the rise of small-scale food production in the 21st century, including the permaculture, local foods, and prepper movements, we once again need to integrate these working dogs into our food systems and our lives.  Unfortunately, particularly in the United States, these dogs are difficult if not impossible to find. Many of these working dogs, like so much of our food systems, have been industrialized or domesticated beyond recognition.  However, as we learn the importance of being able to live in balance with the world around us and shorten our food chains, we once again will need the partnership of our intuitive working canine companions if we are to be successful.


5 years ago
The problem Elle faced with their  first LGD is why I stress good breeding. Humans have an amazing ability to breed instinct right out of dogs as we breed them toward being pets instead of partners. This is why a dog raised with livestock can be terrible while one raised as a house dog can turn into amazing guardians. I don't believe we can teach them to be guardians - they either have the inherited ability or not - what we teach them is how to live with us.

And Andrew's concerns about barking are one of the major challenges faced by folks with small farmsteads, neighbors who don't want to listen to a dog bark all night. One of the reasons I am in love with Karakachans is that, due to the nomadic nature of the peoples that bred them, they are significantly less barky than our sweet GP even though she raised him so I though he would surely follow her lead.

5 years ago
Hi James,

Thanks for the welcome. I have been lurking for a while but haven't figured out how to post before now.

Congratulations on becoming beginning farmers! When we got Nala we had a few chickens, a couple of geese, and one 6 month old bottle lamb (the other had been eaten by a bear). Now we have cows, pigs, and goats as well so we are on a similar path. When we ate the lamb she had nothing but chickens for a while so I started doing a bit of cart training which she is begrudgingly willing to do (but willing).

As to training... A well-bred LGD know their guardian job instinctively - I never taught my dogs to be wary of aerial predators but they got the owl to move out of the barnyard.  They also should come with the inherited intelligence to communicate, learn, think, and discern. How to live with your particular situation you have to teach. We always start our LGD puppies in the same way we do any other dog because I will not have an unmanageable animal on the property. This means that all LGDs on our place are house trained, walk politely on a leash, have some simple obedience(wait, sit, come) and learn what is and isn't ok to chew on. In addition, we socialize them heavily taking them everywhere we can for the first month or so. This includes the feed store, the university campus where I work, and, once fully vaccinated, popular dog walking places. Further, I vet-proof my dogs by spending a few minutes every day for the first several months touching my dogs everywhere...I play with there feet, gently pull on their tail, brush them, check eyes, ears and teeth, rub their bellies and gently stretch their legs (I have done this with the pups since they were 3 weeks old). This is critical in my opinion because it can save you thousands on vet bills over time because your dog does not have to be anesthetized to be treated. So in that way they take the same amount of time as any other puppy. For me this is not a ton of time I have to cut out of my life because I simply incorporate the pup into everyday life, dragging it along wherever I go. During that time I go out of a way to define what is mine (kids, chickens, goats, other dogs, cats ect) - eg what they have to accept and guard. By the time they are 4 to 6 month old these basics are solidly in place and they spend more time in the barn yard then not.

The other training challenge I have found with the LGDs is around chickens. Every LGD we have had so far have gone through a chicken chasing phase during the teenage years. When this happens we simply back up a step and the dog spends more time in training again. For the LGDs that have been raised around chickens this training back slide was easily corrected with supervision around chickens and correction if they show interest. We have also had to correct a bit of youthful play with the goats as well as with the teenage LGDs but they learn fast. All of our dogs have been great around all the livestock and chickens by a year.  The first dog is the hardest because you have to do all the training. If you have a good first dog like Nala was, they do a great job of checking teenage rowdiness so it is easier on you.

Once they have this solid foundation we are good to go. When I bring on new animals I introduce them to the dogs and tell them they are mine. I greet new people, then introduce them to the dogs and they accept that person because I do. For new dogs, I do all introductions in the daylight outside the fenced area they primarily guard. Again, I greet the dog in front of them, tell them the dog is mine, then we all take a short walk together. After that those dogs are allowed inside the fence.

As to a pair vs single. In the long run, a pair is better than one for a couple of reasons. They are more effective in pairs. Though we had stopped losing bigger stock, until we got a second dog working, chickens still occasionally disappeared. Also, if they are facing big predators or packs pairs are much safer for the dogs and, finally, they are happier to stay home with a canine companion in the barnyard (though for some that is their stock dog friend). That said it is highly unadvisable to get two pups at once. Either start with one pup, raise it right and then get a second the following year or bring on an older started dog that has been raised right (be sure it has been exposed to chickens in particular) then, once they have a chance to settle in, get a puppy as a partner.
5 years ago
WHAT MAKES A GOOD SMALL FARMSTEAD LGD?

Once people decide to incorporate a Livestock Guardian Dogs (LGD) into their permaculture system the next question is, “what the best breed?” This is one of those questions that people have a wide variety of opinions on and they all can be correct. I know when we asked that question we discovered that here are many different breeds of out there that can do the job and all of them fit roughly the same description – big, gentle with livestock, and ruthless with predators. However, we needed something very particular within that broad description.

Living close to forest service land/wilderness, we were loosing critters left and right to predators so we decided to get a LGD to keep the local predators at bay. In addition, we thought it would be fun to have a cart dog for moving loads of hay and wood here and there about the property. However, just any LGD wouldn’t do. We needed a dog that was a bit more trainable than the average LGD so we could use them as a cart dog, that was great with kids, social with at least our house dogs, and accepting of the people we have coming and going from our resilient education center.  

Fortunately, I have a lot of experience with dog behavior and puppy assessment so I studied different breeds and began to look at what is available in our area. I was searching for the traits that would lead to success in our small permaculture farmstead and education center. These included human and canine sociability, trainability, adaptability, and intelligence all wrapped up in a fluffy, well-structured package.  Keeping these traits in mind, we found Nala, a ¾ Great Pyrenees/ ¼ Anatolian cross, followed by Appa, a registered Karakachan. Our LGD canine partners have made it possible for us live in harmony with our neighborhood predators without jeopardizing our relationship with our human neighbors.

The big fluffies (as we affectionately call them) are incredibly effective with predators. We live on heavily forested property where our completely free-ranging chicken flock grew from 4 in the spring to 22 in the fall. We can take both dogs to public places without problems, they accept visiting dogs with introductions, and know to just roll the neighborhood dogs who dare the fence instead of seriously injuring them. Both dogs have gone to major public events as part of educational displays with no issues. They have good enough leash manners to be walked by our 2-year-old grandchild, and they greet strangers with a gentle friendliness. Further, they rarely bark for more than a few minutes, guard whatever we ask them wherever we ask them, stay inside a 4-foot field fence and are loving members of the family. Everything we hoped for from small-farmstead LGDs.

Since these 2 LGDs so exemplified what is needed in a small-scale system, and we had people requesting pups, we decided to breed them. Watching them parent is fascinating as they still retain so much of the primal instincts of wild dogs while being such loving, nurturing canine partners. Nala is an excellent mother who has raised a fine litter of pups. Somewhere around 5 weeks she began regurgitating food for the pups and letting dad greet them. Then, at 6 weeks, he took over day-care while she went on guardian rounds but she still sleeps with them at night. In the last week she has started carrying food to them during her mealtime (even though we feed them as well).

These deeply-rooted, primal instincts to nurture and protect are a result of eons of evolution; it can neither be taught or taken away by house time or too much attention. Like their parents, the pups are social and responsive, easy around the stock, and already showing guardian instincts.  With daily handling, their natural connection to humans is being strengthened as they prepare to enter into lifetime partnerships protecting their shepherds flocks and herds. I feel privileged to be part of such a long tradition of canine-folk partnerships that has been foundational in the evolution of resilient agriculture.

Three Females Available from the Above Described Litter. Contact Delyla at caninepackpartners.com for more information.

Traits of a Good Small Farmstead Livestock Guardian Dog


- Willing to stay home with limited or no fencing.
- Avoid pups from dogs in large systems where they guard by working perimeters.
-  Trainability/Good Communication Skills
- Must be able to teach proper manners, other farm jobs, and to limit barking.
- Independent Thinking
- LGDs must be able to problem solve without direction to outwit predators and manage barnyards.
- Adaptability
- Must be able to guard a wide variety of stock, including non-traditional animals such as poultry, in a wide variety of situations and transition smoothly for field to barn to house to town to educational event and home again.
. – Discernment
- Able to discern the difference between real threats, house dogs and visiting dogs and respond accordingly limiting barking and avoiding injuries to non-threats.
- Human Sociability
- In a small farmstead where LGD’s will have daily interaction with people and family, friends, customers, and helpers are coming and going it is important for LGDs to get along with people, particularly children.


Three Females with the Above Qualities Available: Contact Delyla at caninepackpartners.com for more information.
5 years ago