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Efren Turner

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Hoowdy Heather,

Yup, I emailed you our info.  Good to hear your interest and experience.  Those wildfires in Australia were totally nuts.

Here's contact info for us -

Applications go to: raven gardens (at symbol) proton mail


2 weeks ago
3 Internships: Post-Fire Agro-Ecology, Organic Herbs and Agro-Ecology AI Dev

We have a few internships starting soon. We're a post-fire farm in Redwood Valley, CA doing some cool projects.

Post-Fire Agro-Ecology Intership

Intended Start Date – April 30th 2020

Projects Include:
+Bio-swaling with burnt trees to slow, spread and sink water and reduce post-fire erosion
+Pruning the burnt forest's resprouted clones for safety and ecology
+Tending native grasses and native flowers we planted post-fire
+Alternative building construction
+Permacultural Design and Practice
+Tending our veggie garden

Organic Herbs Internship

Intended Start Date – May 10th 2020

Projects Include:

+Transplanting Herbs

+Sex Identification and monitoring of herbs

+Watering, Irrigation installation/maintenance

+Advanced topics in such a photoperiod etc Agro-Ecology AI Dev Internship

Intended Start Date – June 1st 2020

About EAD Internship

We're lookin' to help life thrive even more. We seek to scale climate and ecology solutions by leveraging advances in deep reinforcement learning (artificial intelligence) with advances in regenerative ecology. We're creating a tool set to help ecologists and farmers make much better plans, quickly.

EAD Internship Projects Include

+Soldering together and flying our ecological mapping UAVs over our test plots

+Setting up and monitoring soil and weather microsensor arrays

+Creating NDVI and orthoscopic maps from our test plots

+Helping write and train reinforcement learning and deep learning training models using our eco maps

+Helping coordinate development between our permaculture team and our remote dev teams

Work-trade expected across the board:
30 hours per week. [Up to 5 of the 30 can be studying with onsite, practical application]

We provide:

+Basic housing or good camping
+all the veggies you can eat
+a fair stipend based on your demonstrated ability and circumstances. Typically in the hundreds per month.
+weekly education
+monthly workshops

To Apply

Contact us with -

Which internship(s) you're applying for.

Tell us what you really care about.

A resume or at least a resume-like list which includes the names of school(s) / employeer(s).

2 Work Refferences we'll be able to get ahold of.

1-2 Housing Refferences we'll be able to get ahold of.

1 month ago
Any updates on what people feel is the best available permacultural design software?

[There are interesting "AI for Earth Partners" listed here  please let me know if you have any thoughts on them.  There are grants available from that initiative it seems.]
2 months ago
Just workout really hard before you shower.  I actually shower with cold because when I jump in I'm so hot.  If the shock of cold is too much at first I excessively shiver with my whole body while running in place and breath hard through fish lips for 10 seconds and I'm good.  Then I dance while I'm showering.

In fact, muscle recovery is known to be faster and pain is lower if one gets cold af and dances after working out!

Here's a studies findings on the cold immersion benefits aspect:

"8.1.2Practical implications
The  findings  of  this  study suggests  that  if  there  is  sufficient  time  between  sessions (>48  hours),  and  muscular  power  functions  are  of  primary  importance,  recovery interventions  may  offer  athletes  minimal  benefits  in  recovery  over  no  recovery intervention. However, the present data suggests that cold water immersion may be the  best  option  if  coaches  are  concerned  about  the  impact  of  leg  muscle  soreness (DOMS).  If  an  athlete's  approach  to  subsequent  games  and/or  training  while suffering  with  leg  muscle  soreness  is  compromised,  then  the  use  of  cold  water immersion may be an appropriate recovery intervention. In  addition,  if  athletes  are  required  to  perform  multiple  repeat  effort  activities  and there is insufficient time to recover (<48hours) between games and/or training, then the  recovery  intervention  of  cold  water  immersion  offers  more  to  the  athlete  in attenuating  the  effects  of  DOMS,  attenuating  decrements  in  game  related  repeated efforts, players‟ subjective perceptions of tasks, and hastening the return of power in comparison to either passive recovery or contrast water baths.For  players  in  Rugby  Union  aiming  to  attenuate  the  effects  of  fatigue  from  multiple high-intensity sessions, the present study‟s protocol for cold water immersions, of 2 X 5 minute baths at 10°C, should be applied immediately after the game. Further, it should  be  noted  that  this  research  demonstrates  that  contrast  baths  are  less effective  as  a  recovery  modality  than  either  cold  water  immersion  or  passive recovery  with  subjective  measures  of  muscle  pain  and  fatigue,  and  should  be discontinued as a recovery protocol."

Higgins, T. R. (2015). Evaluation of cold water immersion and contrast water therapy for recovery with well-trained team sportathletes: Rugby Union (Thesis, Australian Catholic University). Retrieved from
3 months ago
My gut reaction is - you're trading placebo benefits for blood toxicity.  ...but I'll do a quick check on the scientific literature...

"The adverse effects of chronic exposure to silver are a permanent bluish-gray discoloration of the skin (argyria) or eyes (argyrosis). Most studies discuss cases of argyria and argyrosis that have resulted primarily from exposure to the soluble forms of silver. Besides argyria and argyrosis, exposure to soluble silver compounds may produce other toxic effects, including liver and kidney damage, irritation of the eyes, skin, respiratory, and intestinal tract, and changes in blood cells."

Exposure-Related Health Effects of Silver and Silver Compounds: A Review
The Annals of Occupational Hygiene, Volume 49, Issue 7, October 2005, Pages 575–585,

Oh, some folks did mention that topicaly is not aweful as a wound dressing.  It actually does something thats not bad!  You wont catch me eating money for placebo tho.
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3 months ago
I stepped on a rattle snake while barefoot watering veggies a few years ago.  I felt animal-ness below me as i was transferring my weight.  I was stopping my forward weight transfer as i looked down.  Before I could think I jumped backwards, yelled and raised my hands.  It didn't try to strike, it just stayed there.

Being barefoot allowed me to know what I was stepping on, although it could have bitten my toesies easy without protection.

TBJ's Tracker School
I went barefoot or with thin, flat-soled shoes for a few years after I attended the tracker school a bunch.  They call modern footwear "Coffins for our feet" -TB III.  Modern footwear limits blood flow, movement, tactile perception, agility, speed, temp perception, aeration, stealth and build bacteria/fungus.  

The tracker school advocates a "fox walk" which is a relaxed, nature-connection-enhancing movement. Most of videos I saw under a "fox walk" search did a decent job at teaching it. However, none mentioned that the tracker school advocated the foxwalk as our baseline movement.  Baseline means 'relaxed / typical'.  For example wild dog's baseline movement is a trot, cat's is a nap "fox walk" just watch them. ...Or walk barefoot on sharp gravel, you'd learn the fox walk real quick.

If you fox walk, barefoot while using wide-angle / splatter / owl vision you will experience the forest like a widescreen movie and not need to stare down at a 55degree angle like most do to avoid tripping.  ...Cause you feel stuff before you've transferred your weight and can be looking around more than down.  

The longest run I've gone on was about 12 miles barefoot, and I'm not a runner.  I used what they call the fox run.

There is a certain ground temp which you shoultn't go barefoot if its colder than... I think they teach 50F (?)

Since I'm plugging them so hard: note their school isn't perfect. TBJ is just a person. TB III is just a person.

Here is a video of a running tips from pros. I was happy to see his run [4:50 into video] is exactly what  would suggest aiming towards running.  Short steps, bent legs, front foot takes body weight when it is fully under you or even after, push forward with your butt+ quads.
3 months ago
Awesome info Pete, thank you.
I learned a bunch about incandescent NIR heat lamps and got some great ideas.

First off, I was probably wrong about NIR lamps putting off mostly MIR. See supporting images below.  That's great news.  


There are tons of options to make healing deep red light

1. Filter Sunlight
---------Red plants.  Japanese Maples. Red Maples. Purple leafed cherry plum. ..but What plants are year round red af?

---------Transparent Red Vinyl Window Tinting Sheets
---------Deep Red Overlays used to correct studio lighting
---------Thin red clothing suggestions?
---------Henna or paint your booboo
---------Red tattoos, particularly over arthritis
---------Hmmm... our body is probably already kinda doing this by having very lil fur and us needing light... hmmm
---------How do our various skin colors effect NIR body penetration?  White people def get hella more sunburns, i think skin cancer too. Does this also make lighter toned people cheaper dates for the NIR sauna bar? ie does skin pigment block all spectrums?  Hmmm probably not.  

2. Red Burning Stuff

---------candles have a great spectrum as is
---------have window(s) on your fireplaces
---------campfire singalongs
---------Very low temp flames are red. Which fuels burn deepest red? Which burn red if you add-non harmful fuel or oxygen gasses or just change airflow?
---------Coals at low burn temp make hella red light... i guess they like high temp burns of fuel with low moisture, low volatility and low wood gas

3. Redder screens
---------f.lux is what I use on my comp. Its got hotkeys or slider for redness and brightness. It's "800k" full reddish is WONDERFUL on my eyes but it does lose color, its a red grey-scale. I key past "2000k" if colors needed.  Customizable timers can help align your circadian / sleep.
---------there's surely mobile apps too

4.  That Red Lighting District

---------"Howdy could you point me to the red light di... oh gee wiz"
---------just foolin

5. Lamps

---------LEDs. who knows how they do it, but they efficiently produce their intended narrow or wide spectrum effectively and efficiently.  LEDs are ideal to heal a specific set of issues because you can buy them in the exact spectrum which addresses it. Some LED spectrum are rumored to be safe to heal your eyes with.  I'll try it.  Basically 660nm (very red) for most stuff and 850-950nm (very deep red / NIR) for deeper internal healing.  I'll be buying a 300w 660nm | 850nm LED tomorrow to make NIRaunaLED 2020. I'll hang it from the roof... hanging about 18" off the floor with a comforter draped over the LED air cooling somehow if the needs it.  ...Future gf asks about the flap in my comforter I'll be like "Hi! Have you heard of the holy book of Mormon??" haha

---------NIR Incandescent bulbs.  Turns out their stats are pretty good too.  They make sense for NIR saunas and generalist NIR therapy because they produce a general NIR spectrum and MIR heat.  They're hot! They're not nearly as safe as LEDs and can easily burn your parts in a second or your house in minutes you're not careful!! They do produce more white light so eye protection is needed.  I'm also buying one of these to compare to NIR LEDs.  NIR incandescent lamps with shiny silvery sides directING the energy straighter forward and ones with see-through or frosted sides are wider spreading.  I heard NIR incan bulbs tend to block out the uv and much of the whiter colors using that red layer on the glass... this would turn that but into heat which is sure better than UV! Who knows what percent blockage they achieve and if they layer will last. I have accidentally scratched one on a heat lamp before and the scratch glowed out light-yellow lookin light.

6.  Magic
---------Crystal Balls.  You can place one between a red light source and your D&D wizard af self to point-focus the light.
---------Probably magnifying glasses. Maybe they focus on too small an area and are dangerous for untrained sorceress. Idk but the future will.
---------Putting weird crap inflames / candles makes'm redder. I think pure lithium burn red. Burning weird stuff is probably awful for everything that breaths near it, plus wasteful. Bad idea.
---------Sand storms make everything look red af.
---------Pump hella air into the sandy bottom of a 2x glassdoor sandwich

6.  Sweat Lodges
Become buddies with the elders of the traditional or native culture near you.  There are 1000s of reasons to do so.  One of those reasons is that that elder probably has an elder friend who leads sweats.  This is probably true in most places, and is def true in most of NA and at least parts of EU.  You can experience the sweats. Over time, *if* it is right to then you could learn the whole process and carry on at least part of their tradition.  When I named this thread I intended to speak in detail about my experiences with sweat lodges and talk a little about how they are done by some Miwok folks and some Maidu folks. However, I'll need to speak to each of the elders who led the sweats before I go publishing their cultures.  Plus, sweats lodges can't be DIY'ed off any article without lots of firsthand training. They're powerful in every sense of the word. Unfortunately they can also be deadly if screwed up.  Go experience sweats and please be sure to help and/or pay and/or give useful gifts to the organizers and leader generously even if they dont ask you to.  They're amazing! :)

7. Sunrise Sunset

4 months ago
I stumbled out of a sweat lodge. Just before I would have fainted a Miwok elder suggested I lay down on the cool meadow grass. I started to feel more alive and grateful than ever before. Water tasted awesome. Food tasted awesome. Anything I did felt awesome.  For Days.  It was surreal.

Meanwhile, turns out a heap of scientists were writing papers on near infrared (NIR) light therapy for a heap of health benefits. Stuff like stress reduction. Better sleep. Collagen improvements to skin health. Eye healing.  Rapid workout recovery.  Something nutty about helping body parts that have come off be reattached properly.  Plus some doctors are even claiming consistent clinical improvements to traumatic brain injuries using 15w 750nm NIR red lasers, Pew Pew.

Saunas are also being praised widely for self care.

So... is there a rock or metal which could be heated to emit a deep red light??

If there is such a material we could just plop it on a heat transfer point on top of some uniquely designed rocket stove.  "RockRedt" Stove? eeeeeehhhhhh!  The rock would emit both healing deep red light and plenty of heat.  The stove could maintain the ~ ideal temp for light color, and windows/flaps on the sauna lodge would control room cooling as needed.

NIR LED Light Research
Of course, many NIR LED light panels produce specifically the most well known wavelength for healing most stuff, 660nm.  They dont make a lot of heat though which is needed by saunas.  Budget brands are $35-650 for 660nm NIR-LED lights panels consuming 25w-300w, name brands are about twice the price per watt.  12v 660nm LED strips are dirt cheap... like $25-65 for 60watts, but not always waterproof and typically require wiring in power supplied.  I guess NIR LED panels produce ~10x less EMF if they have power cords with 3 wires and its properly grounded.  Which could possibly matter considering they're held 0-to-18 inches from skin.  I suspect and hope that majority of EMF is mostly coming from the ballast / power supply of most LED... thus keeping the lights close to you but ballast away would allow v close use without real or placebo issues.

Incandesent (heat lamp) Infrared Bulbs
Are a fine option for saunas but they do use ~ 1000-2000watts/hour of steady power draw and and they are emitting mostly medium infrared heat plus a wittle tiny bit of healing NIR.  So IDK if they matter much more than any other dry sauna with a sexy time dim lighting to set the mood.  They produce so much heat IDK if you can get your swole pecks close enough to the light without burning those pecks swole.  Ya boy Newton said lights gets about weaker^2 of distance.  So each time you go 2x as far from your light the intensity gets 4x weaker. This unfortunately is exactly my biggest concern about the viability of a red-enoughly-glowing rock that I can sexy-enchantress-heal-lighting my junk without McChickening it.

As a Rule of thumb I think healing effect can probably be guessed by how deep red AF it makes your parts.  This should also allow estimates of both spectrum and intensity.  
4 months ago