jess B

I also say go for clover, it's softer than other full sun groundcovers and won't need a lot of nutrients.  Also....if you are watering, don't do it for more than 20-30 minutes since it's running right through that sandy soil.

Why not just go with it?  It grows there nicely and withstands some foot traffic, and it's green...why fight it.  Is the area shady and damp?

I don't think I'd recommend leaving plastic or fabric on for more than a season because the beneficial bacteria in the soil will die out, making it difficult to grow anything desirable there afterwards.

Thanks Charles!  Your .02 is appreciated

I think once we can actually mow I will have to get out the ruler and see how high our highest setting really is.

My local hardware store has several custom seed mixes, as well as clover seed and the "boulevard mix" that MNDOT uses (it's got Timothy...and...a bunch of suff I can't remember now).  I'm guessing this last is hearty but wouldn't be so nice to walk/play on. 

I like the edibles idea...it's almost enough to get me over the whole suburban taboo of planting non-grass in a lawn.  I might try it in the back since that lawn is isolated and won't directly affect (or infect depending on their purview) their lawns.

The subsoil is awesome if a bit sandy.  It drains well.  No clay.  In fact the garden which we dug out from lawn this past summer is already nice and worm-y.  So I think if it's churned up a bit it will become more "friable" (I hate that term for some reason, it just sounds so...weird) but I don't want to start over entirely since I do have a lawn there already. 

Any suggestions for ecolawn materials for my back yard turf area?  It's 50% shady 50% sunny.  The shady part (of course) is where I'm having the most trouble.

Paul,

I have two very small kids, I waste all my patience on them.  Seriously though, I know it's going to take time, I was being a bit sarcastic with my commentary on my struggles with our American no-delayed-gratification culture. 

I believe there is a grub problem on a small section of lawn abutting my neighbors yard.  That's the only part I'm going to treat.  (that bit is a sunny area, and last late summer / early fall the grass was all dead and brown in weird patches and I found quite a lot of grubs near the live/dead border, so I'm pretty confident.)

I know how compacted the soil is based on 4 years of digging out gardens on our lot.  When we moved in it was all grass and oaks.  Trying to grow grass under mature shady oaks seemed futile so we removed all but a small lawn area in back and (over the past two summers) 50% of the front lawn as well.  The earth where there is garden is beautiful now.  When you dig into the lawn it's incredibly dense, solid and unlike soil.

Don't be weary - we do mow high, always have - I know that much.  We use highest setting on the mower all summer and then the very last mowing before winter we mow shorter.  Until last year's chemical blast, that's all we ever did, mow high and water deep - but we still have weeds weeds weeds, so something has got to change in my 30+ yr old lawn.

I'm just super annoyed that I did this in the spring.  I wanted to just aerate but I let the company convince me it was a good time to overseed and now I'm watching all the weeds sprout when I could have prevented so many from getting started.  So I've made more work for myself and spent money instead of being cheap and lazy.    bah.

I'm dedicating the rest of this summer to wait and see, because I don't know that there's much else to do at this point!

Well being an American, of course quicker is good!  I'm too impatient to wait 4 years for results...or at least I have to feel as if I'm taking some sort of remedial action.

I put down the micorrhizae today and milky spore will go down tomorrow and the nematodes too hopefully.  I've been researching mitochlorians for my lawn as well...

...just kidding (sorry - that was a bad Star Wars joke)

I'm just kicking myself for doing this in the spring since I should've done it in the fall and put down corn gluten to stop new junk from sprouting. 

Ecolawns...well I'm just not sure if I'm ready to sign on for that level of neighbor-hate just yet...we'll see how this season goes. 

Any advice on the how-to from here to the end of the season given what I've done already?

So I'm wondering which of the ornamentals mentioned here (as opposed to the edibles), esp. those with flowers bloom or at least look good when kept below six inches or so?

I think we have a city ordinance that requires your lawn to be mowed below a certain height or the city does it for you and fines you.

As to daffodils, I believe you can get some dwarf varieties that stay small.  And they do bloom shortly after crocus.  Iris and Tulips (at least in my Twin Cities zone 4 area) are more like late May to June - there is range of bloom times depending on cultivar.  There are for sure dwarf Iris, not sure about Tulips.  Iris are sort of fussy with their planting depth and tend to get infected with Iris borer if you leave the foliage on all winter....basically they are a little high maintenance compared to bulbs.

Something to think about with bulbs for naturalizing is that you ought to let the foliage stay up after the flower is spent.  The bulb grows during this foliage-only period.  If you chronically cut off or mow or braid the foliage you'll have poor flowering and / or reproduction in subsequent years. 

Yep, it's pretty shady over most of the grass.  Luckily I'm not deluded enough to think I can have a golf course without giving some oak trees "the ultimate prune" - which I would never do anyway.  It's like dappled shade in the back and dappled shade with a few hours of intense late afternoon sun in the front.  And a very sunny but narrow southern side.

Ding! Ding! You're right about the veggies too   After trying water all this seed in for 2 days I'm starting to think that south side could stand to be ripped out further and put in another raised veg. area!  Hmmm maybe that berry patch I've been wanting...my suburban neighbors will LOVE that. 

I will have to investigate the eco lawn options (I'm guessing that's white clover seed with grass)...I just want to cut down on the amount of weeding I have to do in my gardens.  I've got about 8800 sq. ft. total and whats not grass is all low maintenance perennial or vegetable gardens. 

So I've been reading the forum and trying to figure out what my next move is.  Any help is appreciated!  Here's the deal:

Moved into our 1970's house about 5 years ago.  We have a lot of mature Oak's on the property, so it's a bit shady except for 1/3 of the back and the side yard which has a southern exposure.  My first priority was to get rid of a LOT of the lawn (the whole lot was tree or lawn) and the little tutu of pink rock and straggly sun-loving shrubs surrounding the front of the house (horrors!).  I gardened for about 4 years and now have decided the lawn deserves some attention. 

Last year we hired a chemical-based service because I couldn't ever seem to get rid of all the weeds (dandelions, clover, a little medic, plantains, etc but mostly dandelions).  I fundamentally didn't like that and am now trying to get on an organic program.  The soil is super compacted.  My lawn is mostly fescues of some kind in the shade and fescue/KBG in the sunny areas. 

SO.  Since I have 2 little kids and no time and no way to get a rented machine here, I just paid an organic lawn care company to "renovate" my lawn.  This entailed double core aeration (meaning twice-over) followed by overseeding and alfalfa fertilizer and a dressing of lime pellets.

I deeply watered in prep for the aeration.  When I asked the guy today what kind of seed it was he said "sun seed".  Ok, what the heck does that mean - he doesn't know he's apparently just the dude-running-the-machine/spreader.

I knew this would bring up more weed seeds but I figured we needed to loosen the soil and get the bare spots / thin areas growing.

Now I've been reading the forum and thinking maybe I just wasted my money.  Or at least signed up for a whole lot of work this month.

So I know I need to water a lot until the seed germinates. 
Today I also ordered 7 million units of beneficial nematodes, 20 lbs of milky spore (for broadcast), and 4 lbs of Mycorrhizae to cover my 4000 sq. ft.

There was no top dressing with anything, but I could at least go out there and rake in the seed and throw a little soil around the bare spots from the "dirt pile" on the north side of the house.

I can tell Paul, in his pithy way, will tell me if I wasted my money, so let's hear it, Mr. W.    Anything else I should do now?  When it's ready to fertilize what should I use?  Once it's set up and germinated, I'm all for the cheap and easy methods, btw. 

Oh wise denizens of the lawn care forum, bestow your knowledge upon me - I beseech you!