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Edward Norton

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Expat Brit and stay at home Dad, currently living in the US after six years in Singapore. Keen outdoorsman and photographer, cook and gardener. Looking to buy a place summer 2022 and significantly ramp up my permaculture. Currently studying PDC with Geoff Lawton, online.
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Here are some examples of what I have dealt with on my own and examples that require a chainsaw.

A couple of large tulip tress had come down completely blocking the trail. All I had with me was a $15 bowsaw and a small pruning saw.

Here’s what it looked like when I arrived.


An hour later I had done as much as I could. The remaining work was carried out with a chainsaw. The tree in foreground was about 18 inches across and once on the ground could be levered off to the side. The main tree at the top of the picture is probably close to 3 foot across which was too much for my bow saw and required an external company to clear because it was deemed to difficult, dangerous for our crew to clear even with a chainsaw.



This was also considered too dangerous to remove.



This is what I deal with normally with a bow saw. Normally this would be dealt with using a chainsaw.



This the same trail from the other direction a couple of hours later. It was hard but rewarding work using manual tools. However, it’s a good half hours hike from the tool shed, so even with a chainsaw it probably wouldn’t have been any quicker.

6 hours ago

Michael Cox wrote:
Responding to some of the comments above; you get what you pay for in terms of quality, especially when it comes to batteries. Cheap battery tools are often advertised as having higher battery capacity than they actually deliver in practice. This is one of the scenarios where paying for a brand name quality is probably worth it.



Totally agree and the organisation tends to buy quality to last. Thanks Micheal.

I think these tools definitely deserve a place in the tool kit, and I find myself defaulting to picking up the smaller saw most of the time. A while back I read a review by a tree surgeon who ran a business with a team of workers. In their operation they used the big petrol saws for the falling work, but had small electric saw down by the chipper. It saw use on the ground to rapidly cut big branches down to size to run through the chipper. The instant start, low maintenance, low noise, low vibration aspects were attractive in that situation.



A professional businesses who need to make money and rely on getting a job done quickly and efficiently . . .  That’s a great example and just what I need. I’m sure there will be a place for a big petrol machine for us for a while and we have good existing kit. I now have some great examples to use in my pursuation to adopt electric and when the petrol chainsaws become old and heavy on maintenance they can be phased out.
7 hours ago
[quote=Alex Moffitt] I would hate to rely on an electric Chainsaw,
They make tools to a price these days,
That is my experience and opinion! [/quote]

Thanks Alex - you make some valid points and I’ve heard some of them from the guys who like their petrol toys. I’ve bought cheap power-tools, both electric and petrol and regretted it later. Charging isn’t an issue, we have a work shed connected to the grid. We will need some battery management and one potential problem is in the winter as the shed isn’t heated, so someone would have to have the batteries off-site when it gets really cold. Cheers.
8 hours ago

Christopher Weeks wrote:I have one of these: https://www.grainger.com/product/53JH21 and I love it. I’m no lumberjack or arborist, and I’m sure there are normal things it can’t do, but I’ve been on my new 20 acre property in the woods for a year and it’s kept up so far. Even if I end up eventually buying a big Stihl or something for big jobs, I bet I use the electric a lot more.

And I’m never out all day cutting trees, but the only time I’ve run out of juice is when I didn’t charge the battery after a job and just expect it to be full three weeks later. I can certainly drop, limb, and buck a couple six-inch trees without considering my battery, but I’m not sure how much more.

ETA: we also have an electric mower that gets more use as a yard cart pulling a trailer, but I love my electric tools for their quiet and smell. I know that’s just putting the fuel-burning in someone else’s yard, but more and more of our grid is wind-powered and that won’t ever be true for a little gas engine.



Thanks Christopher - I’m building a list of brands and I’ll add the Dewalt. We work in NJ and NY which both have aggressive decarbonation plans. I’m sure switching to electric would also help with PR and raising funds. All good stuff - cheers.
8 hours ago

Mike Barkley wrote:I've been down that same road Edward. Years ago with a trail crew I worked with & now in the forest I live in & maintain. Not to mention too many homeowners over the years. I have zero experience with electric chainsaws so can't speak for that. Chainsaws are easy & very effective so I guess that's the appeal. They're heavy though. Especially if they have to be hiked into a remote area. I carry a machete everywhere. With practice a person can fell or limb a tree with one almost as fast as a chainsaw. Maybe you can demonstrate it to them. Since they are conservationists explain that every year million of gallons of bar oil is carried into the forests. None comes out. Maybe that will click their internal light bulb.

Last month when hurricane Ida hit us we had several downed trees blocking trails. Except for one huge mamma jamma I cleared them all with a machete. Not for lack of chainsaws, we have plenty of those. I just prefer a machete or sometimes an axe.



Thanks Mike, great idea. I spent the last couple of days making things from wood with hand-tools for some BB’s. It was a real joy. I get the same feeling using hand-tools working on the trail. I have a Japanese Nata which is a like machete and great for the small stuff. I’m guessing yours would be heavier then the nata but lighter and quicker to use than an axe. I don’t tend to use it when I’m working in a group as people get nervous around a fast moving blade even though they’re far more likely to be injured by a chainsaw. A demonstration would be good. When I walk my trails I have a backpack with a some combination of bow saw, hand saw, small axe, small loppers and nata and it doesn’t weigh much. I can clear 90% of what I find. Others will take one or two tools but then head back for a chainsaw if they come across anything bigger than a couple of inches. Cheers.
8 hours ago

John C Daley wrote:Edward, I guess the petrol heads understand petrol power, they can go for hours, top up fuel when needed and they may love the noise.
You will need to research and find information to show your petrolhead mates that an electric saw can match the petrol in the type of work you all do.
They may be planning to borrow the gear for home jobs, so be on to that.
The second reference I have found may give you the answer you want, 31aH batteries.
You need an electric saw that can go as long as the petrol ones for a start.
Suppliers may have already done the figures I am suggesting.
Good luck with it.
Here are some reports
1 - Is an electric chainsaw as good as a petrol?

An electric chainsaw will give you enough power to prune trees and cut small branches.
But if you're looking for something more powerful, your best bet is always petrol. ... A medium range chainsaw has a 40-50 cc engine and can take on larger projects like cutting firewood and clearing thicker trees.

From petrol-vs-battery-chainsaws-the-best-chainsaw-for-every-job
2 - What size battery do I need for my battery chainsaw?
Depending on what you intend to use your chainsaw for most, there are a few guidelines that can help you make up your mind. Depending on the battery size and power, operating time on a single full charge will vary. The below working times are based on a 536LiXP Chainsaw.

BLi20 (4.0Ah) from 25 minutes to 2 hour 25 minutes, depending on the task
BLi200 (5.2Ah) from 35 minutes to 3 hour 5 minutes, depending on the task
BLi300 (9.4Ah) from 1 hour to 5 hours 35 minutes, depending on the task
BLi550X (15.6Ah) from 1 hour 40 minutes to 9 hours 20 minutes, depending on the task
BLi950X (31.1Ah) from 3 hours 20 minutes to 18 hours 40 minutes, depending on the task

Range of Chainsaws from Husky chainsaws frtom Husky



Thanks John - great stuff. Great background information. Point taken on the 31A batteries. They might be over kill but having that as an option will help with ‘range anxiety’ . . .  When we had a hurricane sweep through last year, the state or some other group, provided contractors who cleared all the big stuff. And we still have some big gas chainsaws if we need them. 90% of what we do could be done with a less powerful machine and a 40-50cc chainsaw. Cheers.
8 hours ago

Eric Hanson wrote:I really like the electric saws as I can simply pick up the saw, squeeze the trigger and go.  There is no muss or fuss with starting, no fuel to spill out in the woods and when I am done I can just release the trigger, and lay the chainsaw down in any position I want—again, no fuel issues.



Thanks for your reply Eric. The squeeze and go would be great. Too often the gas ones are just idling. Great feedback.
8 hours ago

Andrés Bernal wrote:I switched to makita wireless a couple of years ago and it works really well for everyday use, with a supercharger and two sets of back up batteries there’s plenty of juice for any work I’ve needed to do and not dealing with the noise, smell, warm up time, and less weight is simply better.



Great point about noise, smell, warm up time and weight. I’ll add that to my pro’s and con’s list. I didn’t realise Makita made chainsaws - good to know because we already have some Makita battery tools back at the shed. Thanks.
8 hours ago
I maintain a few miles of trails but I’m also part of a larger conservation group. Most of the time I work on my own unless there’s large tasks to do, typically after a storm when trees have come down. Then we all head out and work together. I’m happy with my bow saw, lopers and hand axe, but I’m alone in this respect. Everyone else wants to use traditional fossil fuelled chainsaws, which is understandable if that’s all they know. We have a healthy budget apparently - I’m just a minion, so don’t know exactly how much but there was talk of buying two new chainsaws. I love them to consider an electric chainsaw. Alas, I know very little about them, but I figure they’re the future and I’ve read posts here from people using them. So I’m after some first hand experiences of electric chain saw owners. How do they compare, what can you do on one charge, do you carry spare batteries, etc.? We’re not clearing forests all day, just clearing a few fallen trees as a team. I know it’s a big ask, but I’d really like them to at least think about going electric. Thanks.
22 hours ago

To complete this BB, the minimum requirements are:
- you must make six different toad habitats

To show you've completed this Badge Bit, you must:
- post a picture of 6 different spots before you added toad habitat
- post a picture of those same 6 spots after you added toad habitat



I picked six quiet locations, mostly tucked at the back behind my raised beds. I also picked areas that out of direct sun and retain moisture the longest. Here are my six before and after shots.
23 hours ago