Nate Davis

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Here's a splendid old cow I hand milk. She just calved a couple weeks ago. She has been known to be stubborn in letting her milk down when her calf is around, but I tried a procedure as Adam Klaus does - massaging the udder, cleaning and softly brushing her leg and udder, bumping up on her like her calf does, humming to her ( okay some of that might be just me) and alas she has started to release her milk even before her calf comes in. Even so I'm sure to leave some for him, then he stays with her until evening. Until he's ready to be weaned, he needs the milk to grow big and strong to breed many ladies.
1 month ago
I made maple syrup for the first time. Collected about 10 gallons from a single tree, spent a day boiling it down and ended up with two pints of syrupy goodness.
2 months ago

Vickey McDonald wrote:This sounds very interesting. I wonder if they are cold hardy or not? Would be nice if they could handle my Alaska winters.


Interestingly Miscanthus is among the most cold hardy of the C4 photosynthesis plants. However it is still a C4 aka warm season plant so it thrives in high temperatures, I'm not sure it would do better than a productive C3 plant anywhere in Alaska.
2 months ago
I think whole grains are the best since any milled grains will have long since oxidized and lost much of their nutrients. They may be a bit less digestible but when taking into account the added cost (energy) of milled grains it is negligible. If you buy bulk organic grains and mix your own tmr vs the few organic chicken feeds around, it's no contest.
3 months ago

Douglas Alpenstock wrote:

Nate Davis wrote:I suppose it's possible for there to still be some herbicides but they didn't quite kill the legumes. However if there are a lot of legumes and they look relatively healthy surely this is a sign of no herbicides, even more so if there's other "weeds" in the hay. Does this sound right? I want to use a bunch of leftover hay for mulch/hugelkultur this year so I want to be sure.


It's always "thin ice" when discussing this, but it's a practical fact that we have to deal with potential contaminants.

Personally, I think you're doing the same visual checks I would do. If the mixed grasses and broadleaf plants look like they were pretty green before baling, I can't think of a reason to believe they've been sprayed with herbicide.

I don't have access to hay, only wheat straw and that might have traces of The Unspeakable Molecule. Before using it for garden mulch, I ferment the bale in a tub that has water, living dirt and compost tea. Haven't had any problems. This also seems to kill of latent mold spores.



Interesting how you ferment your straw. I know glyphosate breaks down much quicker than other herbicides, especially in healthy soils. It honestly seems the lesser evil in comparison to atrazine. That stuff is nightmare fuel to me.

Another thing people will do is a germination test. They mix the hay/straw with good soil and sprout some seeds in it. If the seedlings struggle then that's a sign of contamination. If they look green and vibrant as can be then it should be okay.
3 months ago
I'm no chicken breeder, but I have a friend who is breeding a dual-purpose chicken by crossing Rhode Island Reds with Bresse (a great meat breed from France). So far they seem to be nice meaty birds that still lay well. The idea being that one gets a good carcass from them after they stop laying eggs so much, plus from the roosters.

And yes Rhode Island Reds were originally described as dual-purpose, but the modern lines have largely been bred for egg-laying. Perhaps there are still more traditional ilnes out there.
3 months ago
Hopefully you are aware of the need to investigate any hay you may buy for the presence of persistent herbicides. These herbicides, namely atrazine which is by far the most prevalent, seem to affect broad-leaf plants (i.e. not grass). So, if you spread it on your garden to grow anything that isn't a grass, it might kill or at least stunt your growies. I suspect I've unknowingly used such hay for mulch in my early days of gardening.

However lots of hay I see is a mix of grass and clover or alfalfa. Shouldn't this indicate that broad-leaf herbicides weren't used? I also assume that even glyphosate shouldn't be present because I don't recall there being roundup-ready pasture grass or clover available. There is roundup ready alfalfa now but that's only possible if you buy pure alfalfa hay.

I suppose it's possible for there to still be some herbicides but they didn't quite kill the legumes. However if there are a lot of legumes and they look relatively healthy surely this is a sign of no herbicides, even more so if there's other "weeds" in the hay. Does this sound right? I want to use a bunch of leftover hay for mulch/hugelkultur this year so I want to be sure.




3 months ago
Yes, I often feel like giving up when I get overwhelmed or things keep going wrong. I find myself asking "why did I ever bother doing this in the first place? Why did I leave the easy life I had to do this insanity? Maybe I should go back to the easy life?" Surely this is common among people trying to make the transition from urban decadence to rural self-reliance.

This is what always snaps me out of it - I take a break from what I'm doing to catch my breath and think things through. I ask if the problems I'm having are really so bad, and if there isn't a better approach to solving them. I try to just observe for a while, to take things in so I might see them in a different light.

In doing so, I realize how amazing my life really is, and that I'd never want to go back to the way I used to live. Yes, there's still so much hard work ahead of me, but dammit that's the whole point! All life is meant to struggle, so partaking in that struggle is how we know we're alive. We should be thankful for being alive and well enough to work hard. Think to the times you were laying in bed with a bad flu, would you rather be doing that?

It's only important that we take time to have a break every now and then to recover, and to appreciate what we may be taking for granted. And accept when we don't get everything done that we want to, but being will to come back and try again.
1 year ago

Lu Kbraun wrote:This is really interesting. I've read a lot on mob grazing, but Travis' arguments seem very convincing. I wonder if anyone has further thoughts on this? Thanks and best wishes


I'd say Travis is right, but that doesn't mean that what you're reading about mob grazing can't be valid at the same time.

If you've read any of Gabe Brown's work, you may have heard of his principles of soil health. The 5 principles are: 1. minimize disturbance 2. armor on the soil surface 3. living roots in the soil 4. diversity of species 5. animal integration

However recently he has turned that into 6 principles. Now the #1 principle he always tells people is: know your context.

This is perhaps the most important principle of all. The problem with the study linked in the OP, and so many other scientific studies, is that they don't take into account context. Often it is impossible to. Which is why when many studies try to replicate the efforts of people such as Gabe Brown or Masanobu Fukuoka, two farmers who have come to essentially the same conclusions despite radically different circumstances, they end up with contradicting results. Going off of these studies, holding them in higher regard than people's experience since science is supposed to be objective, it's easy to dismiss them as quacks. But there are certain things that simply cannot be deduced via the scientific method. They can only be deduced by personal observation.

Another reason these studies often fail to reinforce the experiences of individuals is they don't really understand what the individuals were doing, and so they improperly try to apply the exact methods that they used in an inappropriate context. With Fukuoka, after first reading his book I remember reading about studies that attempted to replicate his findings, all of which failed to and concluded that what he was doing just doesn't work. As such, I wondered if what he preached was really legitimate, even though it made so much sense. Since then, there have been countless studies that back up what he was telling people since the 70s, as well as countless individuals who independently discovered the same principles as he did even in much different contexts. The important thing is not the exact method, it is the principles we follow and how they apply to our context.

Mob grazing is not just about having a high stocking density. It is about maximizing impact when it's most needed and still following the other principles of holistic management, such as taking and leaving the right amount of forage and allowing the right amount of rest. Gabe Brown, and his partner Allen Williams, although they may talk about mob grazing, have never said to do mob grazing all of the time. They push what is called Adaptive Grazing. This is about using the right kind of management decisions according to your context and what you observe, while following the soil health principles.



The people you typically see using mob grazing to great effect are large-scale ranchers who are running hundreds of heads of grazing animals across hundreds to thousands of acres. The great thing about rotational grazing is that it scales up so magnificently. I have personally observed, from working on different farms, the contrast between moving 5 cows, 20 cows and 100 cows. In many ways, it's actually easier to move the larger groups. And setting up paddocks for them hardly takes longer than the smaller groups. For the larger groups, mob grazing can very much make sense. For just 5 cows, the experience will be similar to Travis's. It just isn't worth the effort.

Point being, if you only have a small group of animals or even just one cow, you should still rotate them through your pastures. But it's pretty pointless to replicate one-to-one the guys who are moving 100 head twice a day at high stocking density. That doesn't mean you still can't learn from them. I do believe that a larger herd is more efficient in just about every way for building soil. Still, I have seen the amazing effect that even a basic rotation of a single cow can have on soil fertility in just a few years. And it's a great way to learn when you are merely keeping a cow while working a full-time job. Maybe some day you can use the experience to do it at a much greater scale.
1 year ago