arianna higgins wrote:
As a female I always find it odd that men think this way. The majority of girls and women, particularly younger/20somethings I've known reply based merely on the guy's looks (how hot he is and how well dressed, the latter being less important to a baseline otherwise it's no) and social skills. Hot dudes can be creepy, sure; but if he doesn't seem creepy and is good looking or even above average then it's a yes. It certainly was for me and I was one turning heads in Manhattan nightclubs in the 90s and 00s, it's a different era but our genetic imperatives haven't changed..Nothing bad ever happened to me and I have mostly good memories- so my instincts/observations here must be correct.
Males commonly focus obsessively on this weird capitalism propaganda of money/status/power (which afford opportunities i.e. TOLERANCE, not DESIRE), ignoring their looks to a great fault- but a good portion of women including myself have avoided the fratboy/businessman our whole lives and want attractive tall men who hit the gym a lot (and can quote Thomas Hardy ). Maybe I'm the only bohemian rebel/punk left? I just know my hot, broke, punk, brilliant painter makes me happy in my 40s!!!
I mean it's not THAT hard, guys...my advice for young or single dudes is 1. hit the gym 2. take care of your skin here in Florida 3. hit the gym and 4. hit the gym.
Young men today may be confused but (MENTALLY HEALTHY) quality women are not looking for the Jordan Petersons and Gavin McInneses of the world, they are avoiding them ACTIVELY. Like targeting them a mile away and rooting them out. Women are looking for good stable partners who are going to be attractive and strong physically for the duration. Period. Anything else is manipulative, self-serving pathology or capitalist propaganda.
I find this all very disheartening. It's always been important to me that I am attracted to a man to be with him, but whether or not he is conventionally handsome or "hot" has not mattered to me even a tiny bit. I'm much more inclined to enjoy the looks of a brutish-looking sort of guy with working hands and working muscles, not someone who has "hit the gym." Probably at least partially an unpopular opinion, but I find gym fitness to be one of two things: an acceptable- though not optimal- way to make sure the mechanics don't go bad before they're due, and; vanity. There are many who prefer the "beauty and the beast" dynamic more than the "power couple" or "beautiful duo," else such an archetype wouldn't exist. It's not a pathological inclination or preference. How much money he makes, also not important at this point in my life since my children are mostly raised, though earlier it mattered a lot because I had small children who needed stable, adequate provision. In any case, character has always been the make-or-break for me. [I was tricked though, so all of this is only as good as your "picker," and mine didn't develop properly.]
And social skills.... Really? Like doesn't let stew dribble off his beard while eating in public and thanks the waiter, or social skills like has an eloquent manner when speaking, or some such thing? Doesn't a good person do well enough just by being a good person? It's one thing to me to be concerned with social skills in a child- which I am- but an adult man? Is there some job he'll be required to do for you? I'm just asking because I've never even considered this. An ability to do what needs doing and interact with the people he needs to get things done is adequate to me. I'm curious about how you select for social skills. And applied to what/whom?
As for Jordan Peterson (I don't know who the other man is), he has been married for many decades and presumably has offered his family a stable longterm commitment and ample provision, and as far as I can tell, there are lots of women who find intelligence, ambition, and moral conviction very attractive. I don't think he would have had a hard time finding a wife even if he hadn't married a woman he met as a girl at 4 yrs old. As for all the women avoiding such men actively, well, if that's true and not just a projection of your personal taste, perhaps there is hope for a woman like me to find someone decent and aware who "hits" character development instead of the gym.